Verifiable Sources
Posted by MarkS on May 3, 2015, 8:55 am 189.164.239.111
Daniel: Re the burning of vehicles, banks and gas stations check out the CBS News website. | ------------------------Re: Verifiable Sources
Posted by Daniel H on May 3, 2015, 9:50 am, in reply to "Verifiable Sources" 189.164.217.49
I am sure there is news about the Cartel action before, but I am not going to go looking on CBS for a story about PV last night. Why didn't you give a link? | ------------------------Re: Verifiable Sources
Posted by RobertH on May 3, 2015, 10:39 am, in reply to "Re: Verifiable Sources" 201.138.188.133
On this date "officially" nothing happened. | ------------------------Re: Verifiable Sources
Posted by MarkS on May 3, 2015, 11:15 am, in reply to "Re: Verifiable Sources" 189.164.239.111
It's simple, my friend, just google "CBS News Mexico". | ------------------------Re: Verifiable Sources
Posted by David Dagoli on May 3, 2015, 11:53 am, in reply to "Re: Verifiable Sources" 174.7.129.38------------------------Re: Verifiable Sources
Posted by Daniel H on May 3, 2015, 12:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Verifiable Sources" Edited by board administrator May 3, 2015, 12:14 pm
Marks post started in response to a post below which stated that there may have been more Cartel related events happening yesterday in PV i.e. a new spat of violence separate from the day before. No one so far has given a credible link to back up those claims. This post by David is two days old (look at the date) so we are just rehashing old news vs reporting on anything new. Let's try and do better. | ------------------------Re: Verifiable Sources
Posted by Jim on May 3, 2015, 12:18 pm, in reply to "Re: Verifiable Sources" 172.218.229.92
Daniel Well said, and thanks. Unlike the "good ol' days" when a reporter would be discredited or fired for misrepresenting an event and the newspaper, magazine, TV network, could be forced to issue a retraction and/or be sued in court -- the internet lacks the same regimen and the "crap" stays online forever. It becomes an individual's personal responsibility to convey only credible information. Jim | ------------------------Re: Verifiable Sources
Posted by Dobie on May 3, 2015, 12:34 pm, in reply to "Re: Verifiable Sources" 187.148.135.61------------------------Re: Verifiable Sources
Posted by Daniel H on May 3, 2015, 1:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Verifiable Sources" Edited by board administrator May 3, 2015, 10:21 pm
Thank you Dobie, that is the correct way to respond. Personally I don't recognize any of the sources so can't vouch for their credibility. When I put the top link through the Google translator it results in ] an invalid link (first time that has happened to me) and I can't highlight the text to copy paste it (also strange). Edit: The reason I couldn't copy past the page is because it is a photo of a page i.e. .jpg file. The second link is from a website that was just created less than a month ago. http://rankofsite.net/www.pulsoslp.com.mx Jalisco is world news at the moment, if the Cartel action had spilled over from one day to the other I am fairly sure that some of the more main stream sources would be carrying it. | ------------------------Re: Verifiable Sources
Posted by Dobie on May 4, 2015, 9:41 am, in reply to "Re: Verifiable Sources" 189.164.207.216
I'm surprised at how little news coverage there has been. I was in the bus station in Melaque that day from 9-12 trying to get to Guadalajara and although the tv was tuned to the Guad. news channel, there was NOTHING about what was going on. I called several people in Guad. at 11:00 and they knew nothing about it. It's almost like the government doesn't want people to know how bad it is. If this had happened in the US it would be all over every channel. | ------------------------Re: Verifiable Sources
Posted by Daniel H on May 4, 2015, 10:12 am, in reply to "Re: Verifiable Sources" Edited by board administrator May 5, 2015, 4:49 am
Unless the events were not Cartel related. I don't think they usually put regular car fires on the news. Anyway its just a guess on my part other than the post by Robert H above who said there was no verifyable Cartel action on Saturday. To now say they are covering it up......just be aware that you are starting to insist on events being like you think they were. Edit: It could also be because a Cartel has supressed the information, but this past action was meant to get the attention of the press. I know that reporters die at the hands of the Cartels but I don't know why, other than to say that they are reporting something the Cartels don't like, and sometimes because they don't give another Cartel equal press. The Cartels have also killed Bloggers because they were Blogging or instant messaging about their current location, as in real time. Perhaps the Cartels would benifit from using social media to clarify what it is they both do and do not like about press coverage? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Mexico | ------------------------Re: Verifiable Sources
Posted by Daniel H on May 3, 2015, 12:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Verifiable Sources" Edited by board administrator May 3, 2015, 10:10 pm------------------------Re: Verifiable Sources
Posted by shane on May 4, 2015, 8:10 am, in reply to "Verifiable Sources" 74.192.131.201
In response to "Operation Jalisco", an all-out law-enforcement offensive against Jalisco's New Generation Cartel, with the goal of apprehending all its members ; the criminals set 29 narco-blockades, attempted 3 more, fire-bombed 11 bank branches (3 in PV), a Credit Union and 16 Pemex gas stations (5 in PV), initiated a fire in at least one department store (Lans at Plaza Caracol in PV) and shot-down a Mexican AIr Force armored and armed helicopter, a Eurocopter EC 725 Super Cougar. In four armed confrontations, including the helicopter downing, there were 7 fatalities (3 members of the Mexican Air Force, 1 State Attorney's detective, 1 civilian and two suspects) , 15 injured (10 Mexican Air Force personnel, 2 federal policemen, 1 Municipal policeman and 2 suspects) and 15 suspects are in custody. No casualties were reported as a result of the narco-blockades and fire-bombings. 26 passenger bus routes suspended operations in the 20 affected municipalities: Guadalajara, Tlaquepaque, Tonalá, Zapopan, El Salto and Tlajomulco, all these in Guadalajara's metropolitan area; as well as Arandas, Autlán, Jalostotitlán, Magdalena, Mazamitla, Pihuamo, Puerto Vallarta, San Miguel, Tamazula, Tomatlán, Tuxpan,Villa Purificación, Zapotlán El Grande and Zapotlanejo, im the rest of the state. Gas stations and LP gas trucks suspended operations for several hours, some gas stations have reopened since. Governor Aristóteles Sandoval warns that the situation is not completely under control, the state is still under "Maximum Alert", and urges citizens to shelter in place. He added that the situation is not fully under control and government continues to work together: city, state, and federal branches, along with communication between local police, Single State Force, Army and Navy personnel. The Governor vowed that the State will prevail over the cartel. Police in Puerto Vallarta continues advising citizens and visitors to stay in their homes or hotels until the situation is fully controlled by law-enforcement. At this time, violence has spread to the states of Colima, MIchoacán and Guanajuato. The US General Consulate in Guadalajara issued the following: Security Message, May 1st. 2015 This morning, the U.S. Consulate has confirmed reports of criminal road blockades throughout the Guadalajara metropolitan area. Multiple vehicles were hijacked, left in the middle of roads and set on fire to disrupt traffic. Mexican police and safety officials are working to restore normal traffic. The Consulate has advised its employees to remain in their homes until the situation is resolved. The Consulate advises American Citizens to avoid travelling in the area and to stay alert to public announcements from Mexican police and authorities. The U.S. Consulate is closed today due to the Mexican Holiday and will reopen on Monday. We strongly recommend that U.S. citizens traveling to or residing in Mexico enroll in the Department of State’s Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) at www.Travel.State.Gov. STEP enrollment gives you the latest security updates, and makes it easier for the U.S. embassy or nearest U.S. consulate to contact you in an emergency. If you don’t have Internet access, enroll directly with the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate. Regularly monitor the State Department's website, where you can find current Travel Warnings (including the Travel Warning for Mexico), Travel Alerts, and the Worldwide Caution. Read the Country Specific Information for Mexico. For additional information, refer to “A Safe Trip Abroad” on the State Department’s website. The U.S. Consulate General in Guadalajara is located at 175 Progreso Street, Col. Americana and is open Monday-Friday, from 0730 to 1230. The U.S. Consulate General in Guadalajara’s telephone number is 011 52 33 3268 2100; the fax number is 011 52 33 3825 1951. If you are a U.S. citizen in need of urgent assistance, the emergency number for the Consulate is 011 52 33 3268 2145. The U.S. Consular Agency in Puerto Vallarta is located at Paseo de los Cocoteros #85; Sur Paradise Plaza, Interior Local L-7, Nuevo Vallarta, Nayarit and is open Monday-Friday from 0830 to 1230. The U.S. Consular Agency in Puerto Vallarta’s telephone numbers are 011 52 322 222 0069 & 011 52 322 223 3301; the fax number is 011 52 322 223 0074. For after-hours emergencies, please call 011 52 33 3268 2145. Followed by this update: In addition to our previous notice regarding criminal road blockades throughout Guadalajara and the state of Jalisco, including Puerto Vallarta, we wish to alert U.S. Citizens that criminal roadblocks have also been reported in the state of Colima. We have also received reports that gas stations, banks and other buildings have been set on fire in the states of Jalisco and Colima. Additionally, municipal police in Puerto Vallarta have ordered that residents and visitors remain in their homes and hotels. The Consulate has advised its employees to remain in their homes until the situation is resolved. As this situation continues to develop, residents of states neighboring Jalisco and Colima should follow news reports and remain vigilant. Stay tuned to official sources. I will post updates when more information is available. Luis. -- Luis Melgoza, JSD, LLD, MCS Managing Partner
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