Death to Life
Posted by Lee on August 17, 2015, 11:31 am 189.164.203.36------------------------Re: Death to Life
Posted by Pablo on August 17, 2015, 8:34 pm, in reply to "Death to Life" 96.50.100.213
Great article - thanks for posting, Lee. I love the artist's belief that "Failure is the outcome of a certain perspective". I wonder if this idea would work in other similarly gun-infested cities in the U.S. like Chicago or Baltimore... | ------------------------Re: Death to Life
Posted by chris from usa on August 19, 2015, 4:48 am, in reply to "Re: Death to Life" 67.214.25.128
Gun infested cities in usa. We have the 2nd amendment Freedom of the people.People kill people guns CANT!Mexican goverment is afraid to TRUST people with arms. freedom | ------------------------Re: Death to Life
Posted by Chris on August 20, 2015, 9:18 am, in reply to "Re: Death to Life"
Dear USA Chris, I understand that you are passionate about your country and I do apologize if the anti American tone of my last e mail upset you. My intention was to support the artist and Pablo's comment and add my two bits to the argument against violence and war. I had no intention of being anti American. I'm a Brit so I know that America doesn't have the monopoly on aggressive foreign policy!( or domestic violence for that matter! ) However I am always surprised when anyone uses this simplistic "guns can't kill" slogan as a rational for personal gun ownership in the USA. What does this often quoted statement actually mean? I think the statement makes two points, both of which are obviously true: Point #1: Guns don't do the killing Point #2: People do the killing. The conclusion is therefore - that it's ok to own a gun. Here are my counter arguments: Point#1: Anyone who actually thinks that it is guns and not people, who do the killing is probably three years old and still in pre school where this kind of anthropomorphic thinking is part of the literature. (I'm thinking of a loveable character called "Thomas the Tank Engine"who has eyes instead of head lights, and has all sorts of interesting adventures.) The undeniable truth is that guns really can't walk about shooting people. But the equally undeniable truth is that this information is totally irrelevant because no one in their right mind would seriously claim that they can. Point #2: So if it's people who do the killing why not get rid of the guns? That way those people, wherever or whoever they are, might not be so good at doing it! Conclusion: Surely If it is people who do the killing why would we think it's ok to put a gun in their hands? On these points alone, I suggest that this popular slogan fails to be a convincing rational for personal gun ownership, or indeed for the amassing of lethal weapons.. by any country. We all know who does the killing and our species has been doing it, (with or without guns) for many thousands of years. How much wealth and privilege is required before we find a way to bring about a change? As for "trust" and "freedom": When Gandhi visited London for the first time he was asked what he thought of Western Civilization. He modestly replied : "I think it would be a very good idea". So once again I agree with Pablo, let's applaud the artist for finding a way (no matter how modest) to help bring about a much needed shift in consciousness.
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Posted by Chris on August 19, 2015, 12:15 am, in reply to "Death to Life"
Good point Pablo! Latin America has it's problems but I wonder how many shovels we would get from just one used cruise missile, a nuclear submarine, an F111, or one of those helicopter gunships ? I'm guessing, not enough to bury the bodies!
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Posted by Jo Anna on August 19, 2015, 10:58 am, in reply to "Re: Death to Life"
True enough: People kill; guns can't. But, people with guns can; people without guns can't (kill with guns, that is.) | ------------------------Re: Death to Life
Posted by chris from usa on August 19, 2015, 4:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Death to Life" 67.214.25.128
People with out guns cant. PLEASE! airplanes,cars,trains! The big one nukes! Guns save lives!When only cops have guns its called a police state. mexico | ------------------------Re: Death to Life
Posted by Jo Anna on August 19, 2015, 7:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Death to Life"
Chris, did you note what I put in parentheses? | ------------------------Re: Death to Life
Posted by Pablo on August 19, 2015, 10:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Death to Life" 96.50.100.213
Don't even try to reason with him, Jo Anna. This guy's obviously deep in the cult of the almighty gun. He'll never understand the perspective the rest of the world has on this subject. Freedom!!? What a joke... When only cops have guns, it's called Canada (aren't we lucky to have been born here, Jo Anna?), England, Holland, France, etc., you know, all the places where the murder rate from guns is negligible, because people aren't allowed to have guns. Anyways, the subject of this message string was/is about an artist making a peaceful statement - I've made my point... | ------------------------Re: Death to Life
Posted by Jo Anna on August 19, 2015, 11:23 pm, in reply to "Re: Death to Life"
Nice to hear from you, Pablo.:0) | ------------------------Re: Death to Life
Posted by Pablo on August 21, 2015, 9:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Death to Life" 96.50.100.213
Oye, Jo Anna! Nice to "see" you, too. Perchance we'll run into each other in Thrifty's some day... But if not, we'll look forward to seeing you in La Manz. this Feb. (we're booked!) | ------------------------
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