Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Jonathan Pace on December 12, 2015, 10:06 pm
I haven´t seen anything on this board about the mountains of debris that are spreading a huge infestation of jejenes and fruit flies around the town. We are killing thousands of them in our home each day. It is, so far, a losing battle. Many of the ones we randomly squash to check contain blood. This could be a potential disaster for our community. If La Huerta can´t even supply gasoline to our garbage truck, it is a far fetch to think that they will be able to deal with all the festering piles of post-Patricia mierda. It wouldn´t be surprising to see these same smoldering piles in situ two or three years from now, still spewing blood-sucking jejenes by the million. Arleen and I have spoken to neighbors and friends who confirm the quantum increase in bad bugs. They are bothered and concerned too. We wondered why the issue hasn´t been addressed on this board yet (as far as I could deterimine), so I´m bringing it up. | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Lynne on December 12, 2015, 11:02 pm, in reply to "Something Not to Talk About?"
Why not talk to the new delegado, who might actually be able to do something? Gustavo is usually in his office weekday mornings. | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Jonathan Pace on December 12, 2015, 11:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?"
Thanks, Lynne. I have spoken with him cordially about this. He is the one who despairs that there will be any money coming this way from La Huerta. | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Boca Peggy on December 13, 2015, 1:38 am, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?" 187.139.65.33
Squashed three while I was reading your post. Had to cover ny evening cocktail with a napkin, so there would be something for me when I was ready to sip. Feel for you. They never spray out here. 💃🐾 | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Larry F on December 13, 2015, 8:29 am, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?" 189.164.97.88
The more common names for these nasty critters is sand fly. They are of considerable public health risk as they can transmit several viral, bacterial, and protozoal disease-causing organisms in humans and other animals. It seems they breed around mangroves, and particularly in low growing, rank vegetation. I would speculate that the very humid conditions we have at present have more to do with the swarms of sandflies. Nevertheless, the piles of debris lying about town are unsightly. It seems La Huerta would rather wait for residents to clean it themselves, as we did, than send out their own crews. Ah, life with no taxes. | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Debbie W on December 13, 2015, 9:20 am, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?"
When they move it from your streets they move it to the quarry next to the clinic! NOW THAT IS REALLY SPECIAL! How do I know this, because I live there. The mounds keep growing and spreading out, all the time waiting for another big fire to be started. NASTY STUFF. Now you are saying those bugs are growing there! NICE!!!!!! | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Shann on December 13, 2015, 12:51 pm, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?"
I woold like to know what is the best repellant (natural) for such bugs and mosquitos on skin. I know DEET is best but for everyday, my preference is for something natural that I can get here and that works. Fantasy? | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Lynne on December 13, 2015, 9:36 am, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?" 189.164.107.157
Then I apologize for stating the obvious, but not everyone thinks to do that... | ------------------------For what it's worth..
Posted by Rob Boyes on December 13, 2015, 10:16 am, in reply to "Something Not to Talk About?" 189.164.112.189
We have been bothered also. Haven't noticed many mosquitos or biting insects, but swarms of fruit flies and also swarms of some type a bit bigger than fruit flies. ( maybe what Larry referred to as sand flies.) We haven't noticed any carrying blood. I bought a haliconia flower from Lalo yesterday ,and this morning , while moving it, a cloud of a kajillion little bugs flew up out of it. I imagine that if they like mangrove, then they would thrive in rotting piles of vegetation. Would mosquito spray be effective on these? Not much help, just more observation. | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by wendy Joscelyn on December 13, 2015, 10:29 am, in reply to "Something Not to Talk About?" 66.49.138.7
I'm moving right beside the quarry also and have had sand fly fever in my ancient past - not fun. It would be good if they moved the garbage rather than burned it!! or before burning it | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Nancy C on December 13, 2015, 10:41 am, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?" 189.164.123.138
I have several small bowls/dishes of cider vinegar and dish detergent mixed together on my kitchen counter. Kills them by the dozens. Anyone have a better mix? | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Judy R on December 13, 2015, 10:53 am, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?" 189.164.102.236
I went to the Delgado office two weeks ago. At that time he said next week the trucks from La Huerta were coming. I saw him again Friday night and he assured me they were coming this next week, guess we'll see. But dumping the stuff by Debbie's house is NOT a solution. | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by debra h. on December 13, 2015, 11:30 am, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?" 50.92.89.232------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Pablo on December 15, 2015, 12:41 am, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?" 184.66.18.142
From what I've been reading and remember from my entomology, unless the delegado were to spray every day for the noseeum larvae, they would probably be wasting their money. A lot of high-end resorts, especially in the Caribbean where noseeums are almost inescapable, will spray but most municipalities don't have this in their budget/mandate. The larvae absolutely must have water/continuous wet to survive, so until it dries out a bit more, they will likely remain a nasty nuisance. I noticed this advice on not to use a lot of DEET with sunscreen: You Can’t Beat DEET Fortunately, the chances are slim that you’ll die from a nosee- um bite, but if you are a person who experiences strong reactions to bee stings or mosquito bites, chances are you’ll also react strongly to these. The first line of defense is dousing yourself with insect repellents containing at least 30 percent DEET. Some divers report success with cactus juice, a repellant sold in Roatan that comes in a brown bottle and smells like Citronella or Avon’s Skin-So-Soft, although Consumer Reports recently found the latter offered no protection at all against the aedes mosquito, an aggressive species that can carry dengue fever. Most likely, the people who found these questionable remedies helpful wouldn’t be prone to attacks anyhow. A more aggressive measure is applying concentrated doses of DEET. Generally, the higher concentration of the chemical DEET, the more effective the repellent. Consumer Reports’ top-rated Deep Woods Off with 98 percent DEET kept the aedes away for 12 hours. Products with 30 to 34 percent DEET protected for at least five hours, while those with seven percent DEET lasted only an hour against the aedes. The CDC recently recommended two other active ingredients to fight bites. One is picardin, which is odorless and non-greasy. Consumer Reports recommends Cutter Advanced, which prevents bites for two to three hours for aggressive species, eight hours for less so. Another is oil of lemon eucalyptus, which the CDC says is as effective as DEET. Consumer Reports tested Repel Lemon Eucalyptus spray against another repellent containing 10 percent DEET and found that Repel prevented bites for four to seven hours for aggressive mosquito species, and more than 12 hours for less aggressive mosquitoes, longer than the DEET repellant and picardin. DEET Plus Sunscreen a No-No While it’s safe to apply it regularly over a two-week vacation, don’t use it with sunscreen. Recent studies using animal and human skin cells suggest the mixture might increase DEET absorption but might not make sunscreen not protect as well. About 20 versions of sunscreen-bug repellent combinations are sold, but because the Food and Drug Administration regulates sunscreen and the Environmental Protection Agency regulates insect repellant, guidance for using these combo products is in limbo since they don’t really belong to either agency. Complicating the issue, Canadian researchers recently tested human skin cells and found questions beyond the all-in-one products: Spraying on DEET and then rubbing on sunscreen actually increased DEET absorption the most. Be alert when you’re sitting at the outdoors bar for your post-dive drinks – no-see-ums wake up when the sun goes down and are most active at dawn and dusk. If possible, wear long-sleeved shirts, long pants and socks. Make them lightcolored and avoid dark or bright colors. Thoroughly spraying clothing and fine-mesh screens and bed nets with permethrin will give added protection (also dry them thoroughly before use). Aerosol insecticides can also be used in rooms to clear them of pests. | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Jonathan Pace on December 13, 2015, 12:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?"
Cider vinegar and dish detergent is what we have been using, up to four containers spread around at a time. That is the best approach that we know of as well. | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Judith Boel on December 13, 2015, 1:15 pm, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?"
Jon Can you tell me what the right proportions of the mix of cider vinegar and dish soap is? Also do you know a non-deet mosquito lotion that works? | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Jonathan Pace on December 13, 2015, 1:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?"
Debra h. has a link in her post above to a number of fruit-fly traps, including cider vinegar and dish soap. The recipe calls for only a drop or two of dish soap to break the surface tension of the vinegar. Makes sense to me, though I have always used more dish soap than that...a squirt. We have found that nothing other than DEET works against jejenes. For mosquitos we find that Off! Extra Duración crema works pretty well. It says on the bottle that it lasts up to 7 hours. Not. Reapply every two hours or so. We pay $43.50 pesos a bottle in Chapala, but I haven´t seen it for under $70 pesos around here. It is usually available at the liquor store here but probably costs less in Melaque. | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Jonathan Pace on December 13, 2015, 1:53 pm, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?"
Judith, I was in Rocio´s so I checked the liquor store and was pleasantly surprised to see that they have Off! Extra Duración for $65 pesos. One is unlikely to do better in Melaque. | ------------------------Re: Natural mosquito repellent
Posted by davidstrand on December 13, 2015, 1:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?" 63.141.217.9
Insecthor- available at Similares Pharmacia- Melaque ...principal ingredient is Citronela 40 pesos/ Similares is on Taco Row street- just east of jardin | ------------------------Re: Natural mosquito repellent
Posted by Ani Mac on December 13, 2015, 4:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Natural mosquito repellent" 187.139.69.186
linda with the coco products has a natural repellent that works and smells good. she is at the Friday tanguis right here in La Manz | ------------------------Re: Natural mosquito repellent
Posted by andre on December 13, 2015, 4:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Natural mosquito repellent" 96.44.123.192
in quebec i live really in the bush and we do have : black fly, mosquito, brulot, deer fly, horse fly, they all bite and we used all sort of stuff, the one that contains deet are the one that last longer, like 2, 3 hours all the others base on natural products like citronella, coco, even basilic are good but dont last long, in la manzanilla i did use a bronzage cream with deet and it was perfect for 2 hours. | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Tim Edwards on December 15, 2015, 7:46 am, in reply to "Something Not to Talk About?" 189.164.113.32
To get back to the original subject..... the left over Patricia debris...... One solution would be to take the responsibility to have remove it or have it done. There are no shortage of folks who would gladly take on the job. If it is a large amount, get one of the guys with a front end loader and truck. Stuff like this is done NOB by the municipality with the tax money we pay on property. We pay almost nothing here. | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by RobertH on December 15, 2015, 9:41 am, in reply to "Re: Something Not to Talk About?" 201.138.154.242
If as per the explanation, the only issue is fuel for the truck, then that might be an easier solution. If the Powers that be will allow use of the truck and drivers/workers, then pay for fuel and let them get to work. | ------------------------RE: the part about sand flies
Posted by Jeanne on December 15, 2015, 11:56 am, in reply to "Something Not to Talk About?" 189.164.103.103
Somewhere in this lengthy post, there was a reference to sand fly fever--the section about excessive bugs, including mosquitoes, gnats, fruit flies, noseeums and--sand flies. Here are the symptoms. For me, this explains a lot! Signs and symptoms A few days after the infective bite, a feeling of lassitude, abdominal distress and chills develop followed by fever of 39°C to 40°C, severe frontal headaches, muscle and joint aches, flushing of the face and a fast heart rate. After two days the fever begins to subside and the temperature returns to normal. Fatigue, a slow heart rate and low blood pressure may persist from few days to several weeks but complete recovery is the rule.[1] | ------------------------Re: Something Not to Talk About?
Posted by Dorinda on December 16, 2015, 9:30 am, in reply to "Something Not to Talk About?" 187.139.65.17
Its a health issue and an ugly eyesore. I think you might have to hire someone to take it away. Mary Jo and I had ours hauled last week and it wasn't too pricey. | ------------------------
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