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Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by Daniel H Email User on January 5, 2017, 6:56 am

Here are a couple of links I found on this subject.

http://chflawyers.com/409/foreigners-participating-in-public-protests/

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/foreign-pro-life-protest-in-mexico-declared-a-success

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/mexico.html

https://duckduckgo.com/html?q=Foreigners%20Participating%20in%20Public%20Protests%20In%20Mexico

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by Mark S Email User on January 5, 2017, 7:41 am, in reply to "Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

The 1st and 4th link refer to the same 2011 article by an abogado in Playa Del Carmen, the second a discussion of Canadians joining in an anti abortion protest in Mexico in 2000 and the third site to the U.S. State Dept. was not specific to protests (as far as I could tell).

Again, I believe the issue is whether foreigners should engage in political/societal protests in Mexico prior to consultation with, and approval by, the local community and related officials.

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by stephanie Email User on January 5, 2017, 8:40 am, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

Local approval has been taken care of!

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by Daniel H Email User on January 5, 2017, 9:00 am, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

4th link should take you to the Duck Duck Go search engine with the query
- Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico - already inserted.
I did that in case anyone wants to go deeper on research, I basically did
only the first page, if that.

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by stephanie Email User on January 5, 2017, 9:05 am, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

Thanks Danial for all the links! Am hoping folks read this so the message board and this thread stay focused JUST on the event...not politics, not personal opinions...just the facts of what is happening here and globally ..that day!

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by LarryF Email User on January 5, 2017, 9:17 am, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

There may be an important distinction between the type of events being referred to here. What the Mexican government rightfully objects to is foreigners present on their soil protesting against the actions or policies of the Mexican government or constitution. In one of the examples cited, foreigners were protesting against abortion laws in Mexico. In another, against the building of an airport in Mexico.

In our case here, people are proposing sending a message to Washington, U.S.A., about the rights of women. The rights of women everywhere. There is no specific targeting of the laws or policies of Mexico, or criticisms of Mexican culture.

I'm sure the organizers of this event will make that distinction clear.

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by Jeanne Email User on January 5, 2017, 9:50 am, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

Thanks, Larry, you're absolutely correct. This march has nothing to do with protesting against the Mexican government and everything to do with human rights going forward. I made that clear when I got approval from the Delegado yesterday. Today's update on participants in the marches being held on Jan. 21 around the world: 160 marches are being held in the US, and 41 marches are being held internationally, and the number grows daily. BTW, I am the organizer of whom you speak, so if anyone has anything to say about our march, he or she can speak to me directly. I'm happy to answer any questions!

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by Dennis Fisher Email User on January 5, 2017, 9:38 am, in reply to "Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

I will be wearing a black armband on January 20th. Surely no official will objective that.

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by Norma Email User on January 5, 2017, 11:08 am, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

Yay, Jeanne! Thank you!

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by Victoria Email User on January 5, 2017, 11:55 am, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

The purpose of any protest is to exact change or be heard by the "powers that be". I do not see a positive effect of this protest in a foreign country, other than to be self satisfying. It is thoughtless and disrespectful to the residents of La Manzanilla to force an issue of the United States on them. I respect your enthusiasm for the issue. We all travel to Central America to enjoy the culture and the country and be helpful when the situation arises. Too often, when in a foreign country, foreigners do not weigh the impact of their actions on the indigenous peoples of an area. If it makes one feel good and productive to gather and make a statement on an issue in one's home country, then why not do it quietly and privately by more directly impacting the issue by being in Washington, telephoning government officials, etc. Rather than become self-satisfied by imposing your own issues on those who may not desire it. So many of you do such wonderful things for La Manzanilla - why not be satisfied with helping others rather than annoying them. One must look to how one's actions would be if reversed. It is always a guide to good relations. Be thoughtful of the all the people.

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by Scott Email User on January 5, 2017, 1:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

There is another reason to protest, and perhaps one of the most important reasons of all - to go in the historical record as being opposed to specific policies and actions. Example: The extensive Iraq War protests did not stop the war and were mostly ignored by the powers that be, yet every history account I see now about the Iraq war also mentions that there were large numbers of people who took to the streets to express their opposition to US government policies of the times. Future generations will know the Iraq war was opposed by significant numbers of human beings because of those protests.

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by DanHo Email User on January 5, 2017, 1:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

Very well put Victoria. I'm trying to figure out not only why some of you are demonstrating "against" policies that don't even exist from an administration that hasn't taken office, I'm also trying to figure out why anyone would spend their time doing so in someone else's country.

I'm wondering where you were when the current administration made the ladies room safe for men who may or may not actually be so sexually confused they think they should be in there. Or maybe some of them might use this as a convenient cover for a little voyeurism.

Hard to spin that one as pro women's rights I think.

Or how about this, from Real Clear Politics?

"It's worse for women. Since President Obama took office in 2009, median inflation-adjusted income for women has fallen by nearly 4 cents on the dollar, according to Census data, versus slight gains for men.

On Obama's watch, an additional 2 million women have slipped into poverty. Wait a minute -- this is supposed to be an economic recovery. The poverty rate among women is now 16.1 percent -- the highest level in 20 years.

The Great Recession was the main factor that plunged families into poverty but, six years later, poverty rates have failed to return to normal levels. The poverty rate among single mothers of children under age 18 (39.8 percent) is nearly double that of single fathers (22 percent), and that gap has widened under Obama's reign.

It's well-known that labor force participation has fallen to its lowest level since 1978. What's lesser known is that the biggest decline in employment has been among women. The labor-force participation rate for females is now 56.4 percent, the lowest in more than 25 years."

In any case, ladies, if you have a gripe about a government that will be one day old on January 21, the right thing to do is get on a plane or in your car and go to some U.S. city and protest there.

Or you might actually consider the possibility that you are "having your pain in advance" and might be better served by seeing what actually shows up and protesting as needed then.

What might show up is women have more economic opportunity and are better able to care for themselves and their children. For sure that would be a refreshing change from the current administration.

And who knows, the new bunch might throw the guys, confused or not, back out of the ladies room.

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by Lynne Email User on January 5, 2017, 3:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

Victoria, Mexico is in North America (hence the North American Free Trade Agreement). Perhaps you were not in La Manzanilla the day after the US election, when Mexicans were handing out black armbands to local and foreign residents alike?

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by shane Email User on January 5, 2017, 1:14 pm, in reply to "Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

Wow thanks for the post Daniel , it bounces from 2000 to now and gives an enlightening reminder to how things really are as apposed to the wishful dreaming on the part of vacationers who seek to enlighten Mexico with their in depth knowledge of how things should be according to them . I think a march is a great idea to let all see who yesterdays news and activists of self serving rhetoric and phony policies really are . Yes Yes ! Don those pink pussy caps and smile for the cameras so we can see the wise and committed luminaries in their brightest crowning moment ! Hurray ! Bravo ! Outstanding ! I love it .
On a note that is almost as fun .... on Jan 20 th a bigger change is coming that threatens to sweep the self servers out the door into the political wilderness . Well I guess they weren`t that enlightened after all . Hope it doesn`t rain on your parade . I look forward to the picture posts !

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by Jo Anna Email User on January 5, 2017, 1:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

It's interesting to note how the gender line has been drawn on this thread . . .
or is that mixing my metaphors too much?

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by shane Email User on January 5, 2017, 2:44 pm, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

Jo Anna ..... The real test of the gender line will be seeing (via photo posts) who shows up down at the croc pond bathrooms wearing a pink pussy hat ready for that historical ( or Hysterical ) march to the square . There could be some potty boys showing solidarity ! I love watching a parade !

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I remember . . .

Posted by Jo Anna Email User on January 5, 2017, 3:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

I remember -- partly from personal experience, partly from reading and listening -- the days when women could not vote, did not have dominion over their own bodies, could not own property, could not drink in public establishments, could not charge their husbands with rape, had to quit teaching when they married, earned less than men for doing the same or equal work, could not even get an abortion when raped, possibly even brutally, by a complete stranger. Please forgive the brevity of my list; we all know that there is a great deal that could be added.
Being female has come to me by birth but, if I had a choice, I know what it would be. I am proud to be a woman and proud of women's accomplishments, especially toward gaining equality, even in my lifetime.
I am sorry that photos will be posted by some solely for entertainment, so people can sneer rather than show respect for their mothers, grandmothers, partners, daughters, and granddaughters.
Gentlemen, I hope the women in your lives will be proud of your actions on January 21, 2017.

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Re: I remember . . .

Posted by stephanie Email User on January 5, 2017, 4:53 pm, in reply to "I remember . . . "

Gees...here we are still bantering rhetoric...and opinions only! What is with you folks!

Why not just accept this is going to happen, here in LM and around the globe and let it go?

Really, why not?

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Re: I remember . . .

Posted by shane Email User on January 5, 2017, 6:04 pm, in reply to "Re: I remember . . . "

Jo Anna you forgot to wrap yourself in the flag .
Stephanie , Me personally I want to witness ( (around the globe ) the last gasp of a desperate self serving phoney political movement with its deceitful leadership . You people don`t speak for women , the majority of real women voted you out . They rejected you . You just can`t get it through you heads . So yes its sad and pathetic but also a little funny as you flail around trying to grasp at anything that will slow your descending into irreverence. People have wised up to your modus operandi. Get off the stage , real and competent women are moving up to take over and I`ll be cheering at that parade .
*** Please note I`m not talking about any one person in particular but this misguided constant blather . The election is over , get over it and count your blessings that Clinton didn`t win . There is a decent chance now that things can get better now that the riff raff have been shown the door . Thank you American women for voting to give us that chance . You know ( secretly ) who you are . You astute gals are simply the greatest ! Your right up there with my Mom , Wife & Daughter Love ya girls ... Chow **

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Re: I remember . . .

Posted by stephanie Email User on January 5, 2017, 6:17 pm, in reply to "Re: I remember . . . "

WOW!

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Re: I remember . . .

Posted by Tim Edwards Email User on January 5, 2017, 8:22 pm, in reply to "Re: I remember . . . "

Since this thread seems to be on the same line as the one about the 1,000,000,000 Women's March, I'll take this opportunity to state my angst for the Moderator's closing off the thread. We lost the opportunity to read Red's (Rojo"s) sincere, heartfelt apology for his mysginistic, objectificationic, inequalitic comments about 51% of the world population.

I for one think his apology would have been so profound it would have rewound the clock on 2,000,000 years of female/male relationships and we missed it.

Now, since spell check won't touch several of the above words that I can't even pronounce, I have to go down the Sobriety Numbers Test. Wish me good luck.

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Re: I remember . . .

Posted by Moderator Email User on January 5, 2017, 8:11 pm, in reply to "Re: I remember . . . "

Hi Shane,

I have blocked your IP address as the last time you visited here was many years
ago and you can't seem to express yourself in a civil manner.

Mod D

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Protesting shouls STAY in the US...

Posted by Tracy Email User on January 5, 2017, 9:49 pm, in reply to "Re: I remember . . . "

Sorry all...I agree with Victoria & DanHo whole heartedly. We (woman or man) should not force our personal feelings about what is going on in the US, politically or otherwise, here in La Manzanilla, or anywhere in Mexico for that matter. If you live here full time, I can see why you might want to do this, but if you are a part-timer, or a vacationer, that's another issue.

We come here to get away from the BS at home and enjoy the beauty and serenity of this small pueblo, not regurgitate what is going on up there....isn't that why we come here in the first place??? You are only stiring a pot down here that doesn't need to be stirred any more than it has

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Re: Protesting shouls STAY in the US...

Posted by Lynne Email User on January 5, 2017, 11:51 pm, in reply to "Protesting shouls STAY in the US..."

Perhaps the part-timers and vacationers who are briefly here for beauty and serenity should speak with the Mexican people of La Manzanilla, most of whom are quite aware that foreigners are not trying to impose their personal feelings on the local population. It might be worthwhile to find out what they actually think, rather than presume to know.

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Women's Marches in 41 countries.

Posted by Norma Email User on January 6, 2017, 5:53 am, in reply to "Re: Protesting shouls STAY in the US..."

I am a Canadian who has been coming to Mexico for 35 years so why should I go to the US to protest Trump's vision? All of the world and future generations are under siege! If you're in doubt just look at his cabinet picks and advisors: Steve Bannen, handfuls of Goldman Sachs executives, several several generals, racist Jeff Sessions for Attorney General and Exxon's Rex Tillerson as secretary of State. The junta's writing is on the wall and we are terrified! The Trumpsters who have outed themselves in La Manzanilla are deluded in thinking that Mexicans are blinded by their $US, jobs as maids and builders. Trump reignited the spark that he is stirring the pot! They remember the Mexican American War of 1846-1848. And we remember the 3rd Reich! Even traditional Republicans are alarmed and I know they will be marching too!

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Re: Women's Marches in 41 countries.

Posted by Moderator Email User on January 6, 2017, 8:42 am, in reply to "Women's Marches in 41 countries."

Hi Norma,

Remember last week you asked me to ban you (I suppose because you can't
follow the guidelines) well you got it.

From now on when someone just doesn't get the basic idea of keeping political
post off the message board I'm just going to block their IP address. Enough of this crap.

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Re: Women's Marches in 41 countries.

Posted by Tim Edwards Email User on January 6, 2017, 9:20 pm, in reply to "Women's Marches in 41 countries."

Why oh why do you Canadians spend so much time, mental and emotional energy on the US. You have your own country and your own politics.

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Re: I remember . . .

Posted by Holly Email User on January 6, 2017, 11:07 am, in reply to "Re: I remember . . . "

I think that should be "Ciao"..........

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Re: I remember . . .

Posted by LarryF Email User on January 6, 2017, 10:11 pm, in reply to "Re: I remember . . . "

Tim, your question really does sound a bit naive. The United States is, at least for a little bit longer, the World's superpower. What your government does affects the entire world's population. As the planet's biggest polluter, we look to your leadership in reversing environmental destruction and climate change. As the world's most powerful military power, we look to your government to use the power in a reasonable and responsible manner. As the richest nation on earth, we look to your openness in sharing the wealth and treating all people, regardless of race, gender, religion or sexual orientation with fairness and compassion.

Whether you like it or not, Americans are cast into this role. It is a responsibility you inherit with the position. As consumers of the majority of the planet's resources, you have the eyes of the world on you. In your perception, it is not us Canadians sitting in judgement of what you do. The entire world does. And we have that right, because we share the planet with you.

Most every person on earth is going to be affected by the government and president you have just elected. Though you maybe did not vote for this, you likely will be asked what you can do about it. We ask all Americans to stand up and express the values that they believe in. We Canadians, like all citizens of the planet, will continue to expend this energy on this question.And we have faith you will, at the end of the day, be there with the rest of us.

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Re: Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico

Posted by Moderator on January 7, 2017, 6:17 am, in reply to "Foreigners Participating in Public Protests In Mexico"

Drifting off topic again so time to close this thread.

Seems people need a place to talk about politics perhaps we should make a
section of the board for that.

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