Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Kushad on June 2, 2020, 1:06 pm------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Daniel H on June 2, 2020, 5:48 pm, in reply to "Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol" Edited by board administrator June 2, 2020, 6:19 pm
I didn't go into the rest of the website, just read and watched the MATH+ stuff. At the end of the video they are talking about Randomized Control Trials (RCT) taking too long to complete and suggesting the MATH+ be implemented now in what would basically be trial using live patients. I am guessing that there is more than just the usual mindset of physicians, fear of being outside the current paradigm and may venture into the liability area. I hope they find a way to move forward and get more proof, perhaps they would have better luck in a country with less liability issues than the US has. I would like to spend more time on it but kinda used a lot of my energy debunking Dr. Zach (learned a lot doing that) so kinda burned out on the whole COVID 19 thing. Thanks for the link! Edit: Did a quick look at the website and quickly noticed a link to the Plandemic video which was widely debunked by the main stream recently. Much to Mercola's credit they did their own version of countering the mainstream hit. But the fact remains that information like the MATH+ gets distributed by websites which host numerous controversial topics. Its a blessing that they get covered at all but a curse they can't make it on their own.
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Posted by Kushad on June 2, 2020, 10:26 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Thanks, Daniel, Appreciate your comments and especially the "edit" And, thanks for your thoroughness in checking sources -I certainly don't have the patience!! At this point, if I were to be seriously ill with Covid, I would ask for the Math+ protocol or something similar based on the latest CLINICAL experience of more open minded practitioners.
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Posted by Pablo on June 4, 2020, 5:45 am, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Good response Daniel - we're on the same page. Obviously the MATH+ protocol would need proper testing to prove its efficacy before ever being widely adopted. I myself would trust very little coming from the Mercola site. Seems Dr. Mercola is not all that trustworthy and I would be wary of following this advice Kushad, as convincing as it may sound (of course, may you never be in a position to have to!). Lots of false prophets out there these days... https://quackwatch.org/11ind/mercola/ https://www.thecut.com/2015/03/23-more-things-dr-mercola-has-said-cause-cancer.html They quote the following from the Alliance for Natural Health, a conspiracy theory if every I heard one: "When you add these untruths to the plans being rolled out for ramping up citizen surveillance through test, track and trace, the erosion of our rights and freedoms through the emergency coronavirus legislation, the destruction of economies and the forced reliance of so many on the state for survival handouts, you realize how much we might lose whilst much of the world cowers behind closed doors in fear."
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Posted by Kushad on June 9, 2020, 2:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
How does one know what is true on the internet? How do we know that quackwatch.org or thecut.com are any more reliable than Dr Mercola? They also sound "convincing" to me. Sooooo????? I personally am not that interested in determining and concluding what is "true" but prefer to remain in a state of doubt, inquiry, suspended judgement and curiosity about what shall next unfold. I appreciate the quote, that you included at the bottom of your post, Pablo - the key word from my view is the word "MIGHT". An invitation to keep me in an open, investigative mindset. Much of what else Mercola posts does the same. Hhhhmmmmmm! | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by steven on June 9, 2020, 2:26 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
and to throw another monkey wrench into the mix.....I was just recently informed that after a few hundred autopsies in Europe the conclusion is: this is a bacterial infection, not viralat all????? | ------------REALLY?
Posted by Howie on June 9, 2020, 2:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Pablo on June 10, 2020, 5:48 am, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
"How does one know what is true on the internet? How do we know that quackwatch.org or the cut.com are any more reliable than Dr Mercola?" Agreed Kushad, it is indeed very difficult to sift out what may or may not be true on the internet. However from what I've read, quackwatch.org does seem to be very objective and tries to be one of the groups that helps us to figure out what might not be on the up and up in the medical world. I know nothing of thecut.com but only linked it because it had a long list of links to articles about some of Dr. Mercola's dubious medical claims, e.g. "...questioning whether HIV is the cause of AIDS, claiming manifestations of AIDS (including opportunistic infections and death) may be the result of "psychological stress" brought on by the belief that HIV is harmful." What the...? He also claims that using sunscreen actually increases your chances of getting cancer. Uhh... okay... Of course, these claims are entirely false - the latter even dangerous. From Wikipedia: "Mercola's medical claims have been criticized by the medical, scientific, regulatory and business communities. A 2006 BusinessWeek editorial stated his marketing practices relied on "slick promotion, clever use of information, and scare tactics."[4] In 2005, 2006, and 2011, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned Mercola and his company that they were making illegal claims of their products' ability to detect, prevent, and treat disease.[8] The medical watchdog site Quackwatch has criticized Mercola for making "unsubstantiated claims [that] clash with those of leading medical and public health organizations and many unsubstantiated recommendations for dietary supplements."[9] Of Mercola's marketing techniques, oncology surgeon David Gorski says it "mixes the boring, sensible health advice with pseudoscientific advice in such a way that it’s hard for someone without a medical background to figure out which is which."[10]" Also from Wikipedia: An article in BusinessWeek criticized his website as using aggressive direct-marketing tactics, writing:[4] "Mercola gives the lie to the notion that holistic practitioners tend to be so absorbed in treating patients that they aren't effective businesspeople. While Mercola on his site seeks to identify with this image by distinguishing himself from "all the greed-motivated hype out there in health-care land", he is a master promoter, using every trick of traditional and Internet direct marketing to grow his business ... He is selling health-care products and services, and is calling upon an unfortunate tradition made famous by the old-time snake oil salesmen of the 1800s." Kushad, my earlier comments were not personal whatsoever - I only wanted to warn you (and any others reading) about this guy and that following his advice might not be good for your health (USE SUNSCREEN!! lol...). In the end, you will believe what you want to believe and I won't try to dissuade you any further, nor respond to others here who may agree with your opinion on Dr. Mercola, Kushad. Like Daniel, I went down the same rabbit hole on Dr. Zack and it was exhausting. This posting thread appears to be heading into the same inappropriate subject territory, so before it gets locked, I will bow out now. As our beloved Dr. Bonnie says: "Be kind, be calm and be safe". Namaste...
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Posted by Linda Mandala on June 9, 2020, 10:42 pm, in reply to "Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Thanks Kushad..Dr, Mercola is someone I greatly admire and always has contact with the most "progressive" Drs. and scientists on the planet (my opinion only) I wish more people would open their eyes to what is going on and be willing to see there are so many "alternatives"...time to stop being sheep and do some serious research. Linda | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Cruz on June 11, 2020, 12:07 am, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Hola. I would like to enter this discussion from my point of view and experience. Please bare with me. From way back my decision has been to be open to new ideas, developments and inventions that I might bump into or that I look for; things that resonate, I need or connect with. I never know when these will be eye opening, useful, negative, short lived or otherwise; and that I should question their validity and longevity. I like to think that in the past, when discoveries were made, like the earth is round, skeptics questioned but came around, excuse the pun, after the finding could not be refuted with experience and history. Man-made Inventions like the combustion engine needed questioning and skepticism but we didn't have the experience or knowledge to evaluate their potential impact or to predict the consequences they have wrought upon us. We only saw the benefits and never or seldom watched to see how they affected the environment. We operated outside of and separately from Mother Nature. We needed to have kept an eye on these inventions, investigating and measuring their effects over space and time and then acted on the findings. Hindsight is easy and $ is hard to beat, lol. So now I come to my direct experience with health and medicine which has some connection to the above. Over a year ago I was diagnosed with irritable bowel syndrome, IBS, by my USA physician. Her answer was, 'I don't know what causes it and you'll have to learn to live with it. You can take all the Immodium you want or need for the diarrhea, this poses no danger or problem'. Since this was a non-real answer and a non-real solution, just do away with or cover up the symptom, I decided to research and find answers, if they existed, to the root cause of my problem and a possible solution. If people can find cures for cancer and other diseases, why couldn't I find a way to deal with IBS. Low and behold, almost immediately, I bumped into information on the biogiome of the gut. This rang as a possible road to pursue as it coupled the experience of morning brain fog with my existing symptoms. I had already ruled out milk and gluten intolerance and I tried a natural ingredient pill that knocked out the brain fog. What a relief since I had connected the fog with the natural experience of ageing. You get old, you get foggy, right? Anyway, after a several of months of study, I opened up a potential route to understanding my situation, which seemed more like leaky gut. This was likely caused by the powerful antibiotics that I had taken to knock out a typhoid infection that then also probably knocked out all the good guys in my intestine. What I experimented with was to re-establish a gut flora of bacteria through changes in eating. And voila! No more Depends and worry of being away from a bathroom when I go out. Granted I can't stray too far from healthy eating, I choose the isle seat on the airplane, but I'm not on Immodium for life. All of this thanks to Dr. Mercola and peole like him that are exposing us to alternatives, solutions and behaviors that are cheap, naturally existing and available and that don't have, or have minor, secondary effects. So, because of my experience, I trust and will listen to information presented by Dr. Mercola on Covid-19 as I will listen to others. I will still question the information to see what holds water and if it is supported by others and experience. No one person can possibly be correct a 100% of the time. We are all human but I am here today, in better health, because of the field of Alternative Medicine and that at 78, I am not experiencing secondary effects. Haven't we wondered or questioned why the USA is experiencing so much illness and disease. In wellness we are 35th or worse in comparison to other 'developed' nations while having 'knowledgeable' doctors, health care systems and billions of dollars to spend. Makes me wonder. Surely we must be going down the wrong road? Why are our children so much sicker now than in the past with diseases like asthma, allergies, autism, diabetes, obesity and others? The rates have gone up from 3.1% to more than 52% of our kids being sick with diseases, this happening in a span of less than thirty years. Me thinks something is not right. That at least we should question, investigate with unbiased testing and studies, and then act on the findings, keeping our eyes open over years for questionable results. We should study all our vaccines (oh, sorry, we can't talk about or question vaccines, they are as sacred as God or apple pie. The subject is hush-hush and forbidden); are the children, our future, not worth it if there is even a small doubt or question? Over 4 billion dollars have been paid to families suffering from bad outcomes of vaccines. I think this makes for doubt on the notion of the complete safety of vaccines. We should identify the ones that aren't and assure ourselves that we use only safe effective ones. We are on uncharted waters if answers are unavailable, in a country as rich and prosperous as ours, as to why so many of our children are ill and not healthy. So much sickness can't be called a scientific triumph. Maybe Dr. Mercola and others like him, don't have lots or all of the answers. But at this stage, at least they are questioning and looking for root causes of illness and not just ameliorating symptoms that empty the pockets and keep us diseased. Oh my, I'm sorry but this issue gets me going. Cruz | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by M Morgan on June 11, 2020, 12:17 am, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Hey this is a great discussion, I love hearing the different perspectives. Now here is another guy that has the credentials, is called a psuedo-scientist.... and I love him for his stance.
His talk was banned from Tedx but then they had to re-instate it. Why?? | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by mary shanti on June 11, 2020, 12:21 am, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Thank you Cruz -- Well said
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Posted by Laurisa on June 11, 2020, 12:32 am, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Right on Cruz! By the way...what helped the brain fog? | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Pablo on June 11, 2020, 5:47 am, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Read the following article and then let's have a vote on how many of you are going to rush out to a tanning studio so you can reduce your chances of getting cancer? Too bad you can't spend a small fortune to buy one of Dr. Mercola's own beds... oh right, that's because they were a scam and he was sued for millions and had to stop selling them. https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-sunbed-doc-settles-0415-biz-20160414-story.html Snake oil is snake oil! "Haven't we wondered or questioned why the USA is experiencing so much illness and disease. In wellness we are 35th or worse in comparison to other 'developed' nations while having 'knowledgeable' doctors, health care systems and billions of dollars to spend. Makes me wonder. Surely we must be going down the wrong road?" Yes, you (the USA) are down the wrong road - privatized health care for profit! While we still have problems with waste and inefficiencies, it's not like that here in Canada nor in most of the developed nations with single-payer "socialized" medicine. But this doesn't mean that Dr. Mercola has the right answers! "Why are our children so much sicker now than in the past with diseases like asthma, allergies, autism, diabetes, obesity and others? The rates have gone up from 3.1% to more than 52% of our kids being sick with diseases, this happening in a span of less than thirty years." While I grant you that you may not be wrong, can you give reliable sources for these claims and your numbers, Cruz? Which ones have gone up and how much? My take is that some of these diseases are because of lifestyle and bad eating habits. Asthma and allergies probably more the result of worsening air quality, at least in some cases. None of these diseases are caused by the health care system nor the fault of well-meaning scientists. And again, none of this proves that Dr. Mercola is right about anything either. False flags argument, is that it? "Over 4 billion dollars have been paid to families suffering from bad outcomes of vaccines." Says who? Source? Which countries? Over how many years? By which companies? Representing how many families? I can't just take this statement on face value without more relative facts. Hmmm... Do you wonder how many millions and millions of children and people didn't suffer and die needlessly because of vaccines? I suspect that you'd agree that these lives are probably worth more than a paltry 4 billion dollars. FYI, no medicine nor vaccine has every claimed to be 100% effective. "We should identify the ones that aren't and assure ourselves that we use only safe effective ones." Yeah, that's just common sense and already the protocol used. And by we, I assume you mean the scientists will do this work as they've always done? Cruz, you spin a very readable and well-crafted story and I'm happy to hear that you no longer suffer from IBS - I know it's no fun. It sounds to me like you didn't have a very good doctor in the beginning if she gave such a cavalier response to your issue. I had issues with IBS many years ago and my doctor prescribed a number of probiotics that work very well. The connection of gut and intestinal flora with IBS symptoms is no secret and has been known for quite awhile (at least up here in the great white North). And my criticism of this doctor does not mean that I hold truck with the entire vast and varied field of natural medicine, which seemed to be the main thrust of your exposition. Au contraire! Pot oil definitely helps with many of my aches and pains! lol...shhh... At the same time, there are aspects that are really disturbing and so I'm not about to go to a Chinese herbalist for medicines with ground-up rhino horn, black bear gall bladder or seahorses (I shudder at the enormous harvest of so many creatures over the years). To paraphrase you, Cruz, because of science we came to know a long time ago that our world wasn't at the centre of our solar system and that it was not flat (though strangely the Flat Earth Society still exists!). I simply can't ignore all the many articles that paint such a dubious picture of this gentleman - the evidence seems overwhelming and what I see reeks of charlatanism. Sorry Cruz, I know you're a wonderful soul and I seek and have no quarrel with you personally. I really enjoy reading most of your many posts (and you are prolific, eh! lol...). But on the subject of Dr. Mercola and vaccinations, I'm afraid we see different paths before ourselves. Pero no hay broncos, verdad? (Is this still the LM message board? Or have I drifted into Reddit somehow? lol... so sorry Mod. D.)
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Posted by Cruz on June 11, 2020, 8:18 am, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Hola, Pablo. With a smile and ha, ha, ha I appreciate your attentive and kind rebuttles to my suppositions. No hay bronca! You have as much right to question my ideas as you have to defend and support yours. By the way, on this thread, it isn't Dr. Mercola Covid-19 recommendations that are under scrutiny but that of a group of doctor's MATH+ Covid-19 treatment protocol. Maybe you should investigate Dr. Kory and his band instead of just throwing out the baby because Dr. Mercola recommends and supports their experiential findings that were discovered in the line of fire. And their findings, as they themselves say, are not unique as they are being discovered and practiced, in whole or part along with other successful strategies, by other doctors treating Covid-19 advanced cases. But believe me, I will return with my pen unsheathed to answer questions you have raised and that can be clarified. It will take a bit to uncover sources but I will be back, if the universe permits, count on it, lol. And yes, I'm full of verbage, lol. Con respeto, Cruz PS: Monty, I love Whitehal's talk on inconsistant constants espoused by present day science. The grounds of learning are always moving, changing, adapting, creating like a life force that they are. | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Cruz on June 11, 2020, 8:40 am, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Hola, Kushad. I forgot to thank you for posting this information and thread in the first place. I also like your flexibility and openness to possibility. Gracias, Cruz | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by M Morgan on June 11, 2020, 5:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Pablo, y Sfenwick "To paraphrase you, Cruz, because of science we came to know a long time ago that our world wasn't at the centre of our solar system and that it was not flat (though strangely the Flat Earth Society still exists!)." Actually it is not because of science that we know these things. This was common knowledge among the Hopis, and many other cultures before "science". It is only that science verified and at times corrected what was already known. (no flat earths please!!!). Science is great it allows me to type this and send it on the internet. I like science but I have a problem with arrogance. The them and us attitude of science and non-science is exacerbated by the hubris of those scientist (and certainly not all), that they have an exclusive lock on veracity. Most good scientist will usually include the disclaimer that this is all they know at this time. So much medicine is derived from non-scientific natives. Ephedrine is extracted from the plant ephedra (originally before synthetics), Penicillin mold on oranges did not need science to make it effective. Science documented it and furthered the study (kudos). Gordo Lobo (mullein) smoked by natives alleviated bronchial congestion issues as it is a bronchial dilator. It is used by pharma in many cold and asthma remedies. Science tips its hat to the anecdotal knowledge to those that came before on rare occasion. Science is largely about the math of the universe. Between any two numbers there is yet another number on to infinity and beyond (thank you Buzz Lighyear). Life is a double slit manifestation with perhaps not a proper language or understanding of the vibrational planes. Our vision only allows us to see a tiny portion of that which is around us. An understanding of this sans mathematics will hopefully some day place vibrational studies as best friends with science. | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Pablo on June 11, 2020, 8:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Morgan, you kind of missed the point that Cruz tried to elucidate, i.e. that science continually revises its premises as more knowledge is attained. The Hopis, the Maya and probably other older cultures may well have understood a bit of how the universe worked, but it was science (Galileo, Copernicus, Keppler, Newton and much later, Einstein) that ultimately figured out the how and why, dispelling the common myths of the times, as it continues to strive to do to this day. While I grant that ancient cultures were arguably more "in tune" with the natural world they inhabited, the laws of gravitational motion, for example, were well outside the ken of the Hopis. "... that they [scientists] have an exclusive lock on veracity." No, not true, "good" scientists never claim to have it all figured out - that's not at all how science works. As you correctly say, "most good scientists will usually include the disclaimer that this is all they know at this time." Exactly! They say: Here's what I've observed and here's what I think it means with the caveat that this opinion may change when more facts become available. "...Penicillin mold on oranges did not need science to make it effective" You actually believe that? "Science is largely about the math of the universe" Duh, no it decidedly is NOT! Math is merely a useful tool for quantification and repeatable verification. To me, math is almost as magical as music... "Between any two numbers there is yet another number on to infinity and beyond." And what... does this have some import? "Life is a double slit manifestation with perhaps not a proper language or understanding of the vibrational planes." Sorry, while I get your reference to that famous double-slit experiment that so confounded Einstein and that led him to describe it as "spooky action at a distance" I have no idea what that's supposed to mean in this discussion. Vibrational studies? Shades of Chopra... *shudder* At least you claim to like science, Morgan, and understand all that it affords you (like msg. boards!!). Good on ya for that, mate!
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Posted by Pablo on June 11, 2020, 9:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
You're right, of course, Daniel, and I knew your admonition of this inappropriate debate was imminent. But thank you for holding off as long as you have. I think I've said my peace on this subject - time to bow out and move on... | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Sfenwick on June 11, 2020, 1:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
I never post my opinion on the message board, but, yeah, this got to me. As the daughter of a scientist and a person who studied science (zoology, botany, microbiology, and entomology), I understand and respect the scientific method. Lately we are in period when science has often been maligned, and “alternative” medicine promoted. I believe anyone who wants to explore and benefit from alternative medicine should not be censured or mocked. Same goes for folks who prefer to get their treatment and advice from established medical practice. Mainstream medicine doesn’t always have all the answers for all people, eg. Cruz’s experience, but neither do alternative practices. What rings my chimes is the condescension expressed by many of the alternative voices on You Tube and other forums. The attitude that, if you don’t buy into the vitamin D and C cure for Covid-19 or some other unscientific method, you’re a sheep who needs to wake up and do more research. News flash: watching You Tube videos and other internet offerings is NOT research! I’ve watched several videos myself to satisfy my curiosity, and I’ve seen advice that goes from wacky-harmless to dangerous. The often hostile, arrogant, and combative approach of many of these so-called progressives on You Tube et.al. has convinced me that their motives are questionable, either to enrich themselves or stroke their egos. Tanning beds to cure cancer is a new one that brings me a chuckle, but consider the results of following that advice: possibly premature and preventable death. What it all boils down to for me is....do whatever you think will help you, with whomever you think can help you, but spare me the superior attitude if I reject your unscientific recommendations, please. I will now return to amused silence on the message board. | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Pablo on June 11, 2020, 5:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Thank you Sfenwick for your astute and wonderfully-expressed opinions, this coming from another with a science-informed background (I am/was an entomologist) is most welcome. Nice to see that I'm not the only one here that respects science while still being aware of some of its shortcomings and also understanding that it is NOT infallible nor perfect (after all, believe it not, scientists are also people!). I particularly liked your illustrative "News flash: watching You Tube videos and other internet offerings is NOT research!" You could not be more correct with your observation about the combativeness of so many who are stubbornly entrenched in their biases and will simply not believe supported and inarguable facts when presented. I hope you enjoy your "amused silence" but do hope you might join the fray again if you feel so taken to voice your views in support of reason. | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Stephanie on June 11, 2020, 5:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Thanks s Fenwick...precisely my opinion..to each his or her own..but do not proselytize...makes you sound more like judge mental preachers and quacks..than the educated folks we hope you are! | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Kushad on June 12, 2020, 3:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol My original post is in the context of this pandemic and La Manzanilla folks I care about. The MATH+ physicians seem to be sharing their clinical experience,- believing in its value in the circumstances. They saved lives of very old people! (as they work on the front lines) For me the fact that Mercola. whoever he is, passed it on MAY be beside the point. That will be up to each of you to decide. DANIEL summed it up: "At the end of the video they are talking about Randomized Control Trials (RCT) taking too long to complete and suggesting the MATH+ be implemented now in what would basically be trial using live patients." (That sounds like scientific thinking to me). And an awareness on their part that the there is a need for scientific validation in due time: Again Daniel: "I am guessing that there is more than just the usual mindset of (many) physicians, (who) fear of being outside the current paradigm and may venture into the liability area." (Brackets are mine) "I hope they find a way to move forward and get more proof, perhaps they would have better luck in a country with less liability issues than the US has." By the way... I plaster my nose with Mercola "natural" Sun block every sunny day - does the job! Wendy finds Mercola "natural" repellant keeps the bugs away. (of course, NOT as well as DEET) Who is this Mercola character??? Kushad BSc Geology ( a SCIENCE degree that qualifies??? me to understand people who have rocks in their head???!!!) | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Dave D on June 12, 2020, 3:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Steph, do you mean judgemental, or are you speaking about a diff subject?? Waiting for clarification. | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Stephanie on June 12, 2020, 4:47 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Just reread my note...did not catch the typo...we are all free to read, research, question and then question again in this time of misinformation....but perhaps keep it to yourself unless it is factually checked as so much crap that is coming out is really hideous...but people try anything in a fear based mindset...research and then do for you what you need to do! Share only when it has been proven..this is not rocket science...it is medical science...si o no? | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Beccistarr on June 12, 2020, 6:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
Music IS math Pablo....it’s no wonder you love them both equally | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Pablo on June 13, 2020, 4:28 am, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
I decided to do some further "clicking" and discovered that not only is Dr. Mercola considered "quacky", but he would seem to support rabid conspiracy theories about elitists, globalists and an international cabal out to get us all. On the site that Kushad initially posted, you'll find a link (Click here to learn Dr. Mercola's top tips to combat coronavirus) at the end of "Front-Line Critical Care Working Group. Clicking on this brings you to: https://www.mercola.com/coronavirus-resources.htm?cid_source=banner&cid_medium=int&cid=coronavirus_resources_20200318&cid_content=csmid&cid_term=version3 And then click on the featured top article, "Deconstructing Bill Gates' Agenda" (hmmm... these links were supposed to bring me to his "top tips to combat coronavirus"??) https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/06/13/bill-gates-agenda.aspx Absolute garbage and so disgusting, calling out Gates, Oprah, Forbes and George Soros (scary billionaires... ooh!) as being part of some imaginary world control movement. For those not aware not aware, Soros' name has long been used as a racist dog whistle by the wacko right (and by Trump against Hillary and the left in 2016), implying that he and his Jewish banker buddies and other "elitists" want to take over the world. And the article even accuses Gates as being a supporter of eugenics, tainting him with association to this vile theory glorified by the Nazis. This is just vulgar ugly politics at its worst! FFS! How could anyone with any integrity or ethics allow these links on their supposed "medical" site? Would any of you allow these links on any website you might have? No, I suspect none of you would because I assume that you're all mostly decent folk who can recognize BS when you read it. But what do I know, eh? Dumbass scientist that I am! All I've done is read and carefully sifted what is written and attempted to voice my concerns because... frankly, I care about all of you and wish no harm for anyone. Believe what you want to believe about this guy. I'm spent! There's been so many "alternative" medicine/science articles and videos posted lately and I hope that you all would follow Stephanie's advice: "Share only when it has been proven.. this is not rocket science... it is medical science...si o no?" (I might add: and let's keep it relevant to LM as Daniel would prefer - you'll probably suffer through fewer of my polemics! lol...) Note to Kushad about your comment: "By the way... I plaster my nose with Mercola "natural" Sun block every sunny day - does the job!" Ummm... does the job? Really? Well, I truly do hope so for your sake, but can you please tell me how you know it works? I think that the only way that you'll know is when you don't get a melanoma on your nose sometime in the future. I know Mercola believes that the whole introduction of commercial sunblock was a scam from the start - but his "natural" sunblock formulations work, of course... Conflict of interest? Just sayin'... | ------------Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol
Posted by Kushad on June 15, 2020, 1:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Covid 19 Critical Care Protocol"
The "job" I'm referring to is preventing soreness on my nose. When I don't use the sunblock, my nose gets red and sore. I imagine covering my nose would work even better! Just my preference and convenience to use the sunblock. Always open to someone coming along and suggesting something even better! I have little concern and no idea whether or not I am preventing the development of melanoma on my nose despite what Mercola might or might not have said about this product. I do think that redness and soreness are signs of some sort of distress on the skin, though I have not consulted any double blind scientific studies to determine the "truth". Always interesting to see people on the beach - some totally clothed, avoiding sunlight and others uncovered out in the sun the whole day! What is "true"about sun exposure??? EWG - Environmental Working Group on sunscreen - another one for you to investigate - Science or Quackery? Many sunscreens now restricted in Hawaii due to (supposed) toxicity to sea life. I wonder about sunscreen use here and our sea life? Have you seen any studies? djdocwat@gmail.com | ------------
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