Unfortunately our municipality has now lost 11 souls to the virus and people are starting to wake up to protection. However those 11 deaths make up almost 23% of the confirmed cases. That is an abnormally high percentage. Higher than Manzanillos 14% or even Mexacalis 17%. Random checking other municipalities on the government map, I could not find a single muni with an equal or higher rate. This may just be a statistic that will eventually come in line with the national rate of 15%. However if this trend continues I feel someone should be trying to figure out why. Its not about protection its about recovery. Any ideas for this exceedingly high mortality rate? 😔
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Daniel H on July 24, 2020, 10:54 am, in reply to "Cihuatlan"
Do you have a source for this?
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Dan Patman on July 24, 2020, 10:59 am, in reply to "Cihuatlan"
It is quite simple. Unfortunately there is very little testing being done. The kits sent to the centro's de salud are not good (told to me confidentially by a Dr.), the ones for example in Beny's lab next to the Melaque Centro de Salud are antibody tests but better (again Dr's opinion).
If you look at the stats for Cihuatlan currently since this began we have:
Even if you total all these up it means only 130 tests have been carried out (and remember private lab tests are not part of these figures as they have not been officially processed at the official state lab).
These numbers aren't the current active cases but total since this began, but still it is 8.46% fatal.
Fatalities and confirmed cases are separated, this is why so many people are not seeing the numbers add up at times.
Another example of skewed stats is from Manzanillo. Someone I know who works in one of the hospitals there witnessed a patient who passed away of what those treating were 99% sure was Covid-19, however because they didn't tick all the symptom boxes at the time, a test was not done and their death was declared as atypical respiratory failure.
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Steve on July 24, 2020, 11:10 am, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
This was from Costalegre/Covid 19 My thoughts are lack of testing. Actual cases probably much higher than reported. I believe the same thing is going on here in town. How many confirmed cases? Hearing about many people with sore throats and other symptoms but being written off as dengue or something else. Not covid. It will never come here. We are immune.
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Daniel H on July 24, 2020, 11:29 am, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
That means nothing to me. Do you know how to link?
The second link shows statistics of deceased, as well as co-conditions; health complications such as hypertension, diabetes, obesity etc.. The second batch of statistics indicate number of deaths in municipalities and the third batch shows current number of confirmed cases by municipality
Source: Jalisco Health Secretariat * Cut at 13:00 on July 23, 2020 ** Includes information from SISVER, HCGFAA, HCGJIM, CUCS laboratories, private laboratories and rapid tests.
Very small summary from this 2nd link
Cihuatlan. 68 active cases, 6 deceased La Huerta 22 active cases. 0 deceased
Posted by Steve on July 24, 2020, 12:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
Costalegre/Covid 19 FB page. Someone asked that since I live in La Manzanilla could I please share the post on our message board. Copied and pasted.
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Daniel H on July 24, 2020, 1:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
At first I was trying to verify the validity of the person who asked you to post here, now its turned into a ####ing quest to see where this Facebook page you are talking about is. I don't see it on these
Here are some instructions on how to link, its really easy
At the top of every web page, Facebook page etc. is the address bar. The address (URL) starts with https:// or https://, if you click on it it will burn blue, you right click and select copy. Next you go to the white space on the message board where you post a message, put the mouse arrow in that white space and left click, then right click and select paste.
Now click preview and you should see the newly created link. That's it!
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FB Link Costalegre Covid 19
Posted by James on July 24, 2020, 1:28 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
That was because Linda Bella Ruiz (the creator / admin) wanted a place where people could talk freely and criticize about what is going on here without worrying about repercussion.
She did seem to forget that at least a couple of local politicians are members, so a pointless move.
The best place to do what she wants is to create a reddit account. Truly anonymous. Well almost truly, if your a hacker you can chase down the ID of a poster with quite a bit of work.
Posted by Daniel H on July 24, 2020, 9:27 pm, in reply to "Re: FB Link Costalegre Covid 19" Edited by board administrator July 24, 2020, 9:29 pm
Hi Dan,
You seem to be knowledgeable about Face book (you are certainly an good poster) can I ask a couple questions?
I had never heard of the Costalegre covid19 Facebook until this morning. It my first interaction with a group in private mode. You said "a place where people could talk freely and criticize about what is going on here without worrying about repercussion"
to my knowledge Facebook requires all accounts be connected to a real person, how could the poster escape repercussion, people know who they are...right?
Also can you link to a post on that account the same as you can on a public one?
of course, I will always answer any questions to the best of my ability!
The Costalegre/covid-19 Facebook group was started a few months ago by Linda Bello Ruiz, initially it was a public group that anyone could join and comment in and share posts from. Then this was closed to make it invite / request to join only and then shortly after it was made a private group.
Linda herself posted the following post:
"Hey everybody. Could we please leave Covid info here and not copy/paste onto the Amigos page? Please? That page is followed by hundreds of locals and government officials. Not the best place to be complaining about their handling of the reopening. Remember, it's their country. WE are the foreigners. I made this site private to be a safe place. Please express your concerns, fears here and we can discuss and resolve here. I hope that makes sense. Hugs"
Most people know that (and I am paraphrasing here) as a foreigner you are not allowed to get involved in Mexican politics as there are possible legal / immigration ramifications to this. Hence my comment here previously that there are at least two political members of the group so it is not a safe place at all to moan and criticize local political efforts.
So back to your question about accounts and verification. Facebook does require at the very least email back up confirmation when you start an account. In my case it is obviously backed up and verified by my personal emails and also some two-step authentication using my cel phone and some other things. However going by news reports we see from all over I assume that it is easy enough to set up a fake account using a made up email which would be used to click the 'verify now' link and activate a Facebook account (haven't done it so can't say for sure).
In escaping repercussion I meant (and understood to my knowledge) that if you aren't a member of the group then you cannot see anything that is posted there.
I cannot test this with this group as I am a member, maybe if you can click on the link below and let me know if you can see anything. This would answer the question about linking a post working like a public one.
I do know that being a private group the 'share' option which appears normally at the bottom of each post on public posts is removed / disabled. The only options are 'like, love,etc' and 'comment'
I am adding a picture which shows not only the removed 'share' option, but also on the right shows the privacy options and explanation.
If you have any other questions, just fire away (or start a new thread if you want it separate from this).
Dan
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Re: FB Link Costalegre Covid 19
Posted by Daniel H on July 25, 2020, 11:21 am, in reply to "Re: FB Link Costalegre Covid 19" Edited by board administrator July 25, 2020, 11:26 am
Excellent response, thank you.
No. the link to the post did not bypass the private setting.
Also nice was the quote from Linda, she has good logic and intentions but really should set up a Reddit account and create a new sub e.g. r/costalegrecovid19 or r/Barra to accomplish her goals. There is a little learning curve on Reddit but nothing 5 minutes of effort won't eliminate.
Thanks again
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Steve on July 24, 2020, 3:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
Certainly didn't mean to stir it up. Was asked very nicely to share the post on our message board. Was only trying to help. Seems to have created a kerfuffle. That's why I dont do much on here. You probably wouldn't like my tin foil hat views anyhow. Lol
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Daniel H on July 24, 2020, 4:18 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
Hi Steve, Its just that information like that is only as valid as its source, its not good enough to say "someone said"
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Stephanie on July 24, 2020, 5:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
Sorry Steve if you felt like you started something..like a kerfufle...not my intention at all..many folks do not post here ccause they fear verbal repercussions! %.+#’em! If this is one of the only places where we can get ANY info on to what is happening, I for one am happy to hear what...”someone said”...but then I go out and try to find the source!
Do not be shy folks...or let the crap some post here deter you! Crazy times require drastic means!
Just saying!
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Daniel H on July 24, 2020, 6:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan" Edited by board administrator July 24, 2020, 6:15 pm
"I for one am happy to hear what...”someone said”...but then I go out and try to find the source!"
When someone on the board says something why not ask them what the source is? No need to go out looking for the source.
"Crazy times require drastic means!"
Couldn't disagree more. Crazy times require true, accurate, validated information. Not rumors or second hand information (which I remember your saying you were against recently).
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Steve on July 24, 2020, 6:37 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
I'm good. If I could I'd just delete my original post and carry on.
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Daniel H on July 24, 2020, 9:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
Don't worry about it Steve, we are all just learning and finding our way. Carry on!
Posted by Stephanie on July 24, 2020, 8:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
Hon...you just want to pick the verbage to pieces these days! Drastic means...means to me..trying to get all the info straight and from all sources so that we know.are not surmising.. or frigging guessing! Takes time and patience....but worth the effort to get some facsimile of the truth!
Yep Steve..your first,post was sad but informative!
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Thank you
Posted by Stephanie on July 24, 2020, 2:28 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
And perhaps now we can all get on the same page, figuratively speaking...and try and make some sense out of all the different data out there!
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Dan Patman on July 24, 2020, 12:37 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
So there is plenty of room for confusion, along with a lack of testing to make things murky to say the least.
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by M Morgan on July 24, 2020, 1:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
Is it possible that the reason La Huerta is showing only 1 death is because people that are sick are sent to Cihuatlan or Manzanillo and if they die in one those two locations they are not counted in La Huerta?
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Dan Patman on July 24, 2020, 1:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
It is possible Monty, but still doesn't explain the difference between state and federal stats for the same detail / thing.
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Carol on July 24, 2020, 1:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
The Autlan information is way out of whack according to friends in Cuaste who have houses in both places deaths and millones...
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Re: Cihuatlan
Posted by Cruz on July 24, 2020, 3:23 pm, in reply to "Re: Cihuatlan"
Hola. I put this part of a message the other day on this Board. The message not only holds water for #s of cases and outcomes locally, but looks like for our County, the State and probably this Country as, so far, none of our County's reported stats match:
The number of reported cases are similar to the Covid-19 virus cases in our midst; questionable, unknown, changing, quicksandish, unfathomable, black holish, frightening, unattainable.
An example; so far the one local death, possibly attributed to diabetes, has not registered on La Huerta stats and a death certificate has not been issued locally. So where and of what was the death. Cruz
PS: I guess we post and paste whatever information on cases and outcomes that come through and hope we get something of a picture. As Stephanie calmly says, let's keep at it.