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Jalisco turns red again

Posted by Rebecca on July 18, 2020, 3:38 pm

Jalisco turns red at epidemiological traffic light in Mexico
Friday, July 17, 2020 20:03 - 1202003In: Featured - Jalisco -
From Chiapas, the undersecretary of Prevention and Health Promotion, Hugo López-Gatell reported that Mexico reached 331 thousand 298 positive cases for Covid-19, as well as 38 thousand 310 deaths.
López-Gatell presented a new edition of an epidemiological traffic light in Mexico, where 18 entities are in red, and 14 in orange.
Among the states in red are Jalisco, Baja California Sur, Coahuila, Nuevo León, Tamaulipas and Zacatecas.

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Link: https://www.notisistema.com/noticias/jalisco-pasa-a-color-rojo-en-semaforo-epidemiologico-en-mexico/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

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Jalisco governor accuses virus czar of playing politics

Posted by Daniel H on July 19, 2020, 9:23 pm, in reply to "Jalisco turns red again"

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/governor-accuses-virus-czar-of-playing-politics/

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Re: Jalisco turns red again

Posted by Stephanie on July 20, 2020, 7:39 am, in reply to "Jalisco turns red again"

Seems rather obvious that many numbers are confusing or underplayed by optical motivation...both here and elsewhere!

A friend from La Huerta called last week and when the topic of of the virus came up he was surprised we had suspected cases here as he was told there were no cases in La Huerta!

Also just got a text from a friend in Canada that someone died from LM in Manzanillo..his source was a text on FB from his friend in town...Zuazo..whose father seems to be quite ill! Also heard that Lydia’s housekeeper’s husband is sick...this is all second hand and circulating on the streets but it sure seems like we all should know about suspected cases and be aware of who we are with!

I despise sharing the above, truly, as shared stories or gossip is not my thing...however, when the health of friends is at stake I think we should be in the know!

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Re: Jalisco turns red again

Posted by Stephanie on July 20, 2020, 11:35 am, in reply to "Re: Jalisco turns red again"

Update...just talked with Lydia and seems the husband died yesterday but they are saying it was diabetes related and not the virus...so are the symptoms similar or not and are virus cases being called pneumonia and diabetes when they are in fact virus cases??? Inquiring minds want to know!

Also, Enrique was wearing a mask at Lydia’s...a first for me to see! Bravo!

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Re: Jalisco turns red again

Posted by Daniel H on July 20, 2020, 12:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Jalisco turns red again"

Seems he must have tested negative for COVID. If he tested positive
then it would probably be counted as a COVID death with diabetes
as a pre condition or co contributor.

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Re: Jalisco turns red again

Posted by Stephanie on July 20, 2020, 2:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Jalisco turns red again"

Seems. being the key word!

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Re: Jalisco turns red again

Posted by Daniel H on July 20, 2020, 4:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Jalisco turns red again"

Its hard to figure out on many levels. Back at the start the Gov
of Jalisco did more than the Feds were regulating (he felt they
were not taking it serious enough). Now hes resisting their
regulations, "Governor Enrique Alfaro has accused Deputy
Health Minister Hugo López-Gatell of allocating a “red light” to
his state on the federal government’s coronavirus risk “stoplight”
map because “he felt like it.”

"Alfaro claimed that the decision to revert Jalisco to red was
politically motivated."

I get the politics in the US (most unfortunately) but don't
know what the conflict is here other than one of which path
to take. i.e. its not a liberal / conservative issue, as far as
I know (which isn't much). Is this about giving one state an economic edge
over another state?

"Jalisco’s regression to “red light” status came a week after
the governor himself warned that he would shut down the state
economy if coronavirus cases and hospital admissions continued to
increase".

Understandable to be confused after reading this article, it
is either poorly written or written exactly as it is. Is
the Gov saying one thing to cover his ass politically
but resisting the red light cause he knows the burden it puts
on people and/or IMO that it will only slow down a bit what is
going to happen anyway?

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Re: Jalisco turns red again

Posted by Cruz on July 21, 2020, 12:15 pm, in reply to "Re: Jalisco turns red again"

Interesting conundrum but I think you hit on all the possible explanations.

The answers are similar to the Covid-19 virus existence in our midst; questionable, unknown, changing, quicksandish, unfathomable, black holish, frightening, unattainable.

An example; so far the one death, possibly attributed to diabetes, has not registered on La Huerta stats and a death certificate has not been issued locally. So where and of what was the death?

I think Governor Alfaro is doing both, doesn't want to be lumped in with all the high case states but he wants to keep the economy going. As you posed, a difficult fence to straddle. The politics are more difficult to tease out.

PS: I know I used some new adjectives but then this pandemic scenario is new too.

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Diabetes and covid 19

Posted by Deano on July 21, 2020, 11:39 am, in reply to "Re: Jalisco turns red again"

https://www.diabetes.org/coronavirus-covid-19/how-coronavirus-impacts-people-with-diabetes

Hmmmmmm...

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Re: Diabetes and covid 19

Posted by Daniel H on July 21, 2020, 12:38 pm, in reply to " Diabetes and covid 19"

Imagine being an employer during this mess.

Under the know your rights section

https://www.diabetes.org/coronavirus-covid-19/rights-for-workers-with-diabetes-during-coronavirus-pandemic

Question - I live with diabetes and I am scared of getting seriously ill from COVID-19. What are my rights at work?

Answer

As a person with diabetes, you qualify for protection by the Americans with Disabilities Act. That federal law requires covered employers to provide employees with disabilities, such as diabetes, reasonable accommodations so that they can perform their job functions.

In addition, employees who have worked more than 1,250 hours in 12 months for companies with more than 50 people are entitled to protection under the Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA). This law provides 12 weeks of leave for employees who themselves have, or have a family member with, a serious health condition.

You might also have rights under the new Families First Coronavirus Response Act – which includes the Emergency Family Medical Leave Expansion Act (EFMLEA) and the Emergency Paid Sick Leave Act (EPSLA) – or other state and local laws.

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Re: Diabetes and covid 19

Posted by Cruz on July 21, 2020, 7:27 pm, in reply to "Re: Diabetes and covid 19"

So, Daniel, what do US diabetes regulations have to do with the price of corn in Antarctica?

Just surprised, Cruz

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Re: Diabetes and covid 19

Posted by Daniel H on July 21, 2020, 9:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Diabetes and covid 19"

I like information, you give me a link I will usually poke
around a bit to see what's there.

The number of regulatory agency's surprised me, 4 federal plus
you have to add state and local regulations!

Then you consider

Diabetes prevalence (% of population ages 20 to 79) - Country Ranking

The US is ranked number 43 and Mexico is number 20

That Mexico is considered Socialist, the US not.

And you may wonder what would happen to Mexico if they had the
regulations that the US has? Probably very few would be at
work, they couldn't do it.

As Deano said "hmmmm"

The leading cause of diabetes in Mexico is deep fried food

"Diabetes is one of the biggest problems in the health system
in Mexico," says Dr. Carlos Aguilar Salinas at the National Institute
of Medical Sciences and Nutrition in Mexico City. "It's the
first cause of death. It's the first cause of disability.
It's the main cost for the health system."

and

"the average Mexican drank nearly two glasses of Coke a day."

Anyway, just playin around in the biggest library in the world.

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Diabetes and Off Thread

Posted by Cruz on July 23, 2020, 1:03 pm, in reply to "Jalisco turns red again"

Hola, Daniel, we did it again, got off track, but I'm in, lol.

Yes, diabetes is big here in Mexico and with Mexicans abroad. We've always loved some fried food and of course, coke and sweets. And there are genetics which say we are prone to diabetes.

What saved us in the past was cooking from scratch and keeping away from processed foods. Not having extra bucks helped in this regard.

Now the meal scene has changed and we buy in places like OXXO. Have you seen how the snacks and cookie aisles have grown in our little grocery stores.

I'd like to pose other possible causes contributing to and triggering this growing epidemic, which this is. However, it's an opinion without links.

I think that the GMO oils found in cooking, frying and packaged snacks are big contributors, along with GMO flour and corn products, to the increasing incidence of diabetes. They are cheaper and is why they are being used. GMO corn syrup, fructose, is replacing our cane sugar. This item was imposed on us when Mexico joined NAFTA. Just saying.

How exactly these contribute to the relatively new gigantic increase in diabetes can be another discussion. Cruz

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Re: Diabetes and Off Thread

Posted by Daniel H on July 23, 2020, 4:31 pm, in reply to " Diabetes and Off Thread"

Seems there is a link between GMO's and diabetes,
Searched GMO Foods and Diabetes

We are not off topic, COVID and diabetes are a deadly pair.

Did you notice the stats in the article I linked to?

Mexico has 80,000 diabetes deaths annually at a cost of $40,000 us per
year per patient!

"Mexico to be the leading consumer of junk food in Latin America,
consuming 450 pounds of ultra processed foods and sugary beverages
per person each year." "Until just recently Mexico was the largest
per capita consumer of soda in the world, chugging down 36 gallons
of sugary drinks per person per year."

"Late last year, the health minister declared diabetes and
obesity to be public health emergencies — the first time they'd
made such a declaration that wasn't targeting an infectious disease".

Do you remember hearing anything about that declaration? I
remember they raised the tax on sugar drinks but that is about it.

Now Mexico is at approx 40,000 deaths due to COVID, 1/2 that of diabetes
and everyone is very concerned and taking all kinds of measures to try
and stop it.

Let's go to the USA for a moment. In 2019 there were 70,000 deaths
from the flu season and not a peep about mask, hand washing,
or social distancing. This is stuff we shold have learned in grade school.

What is a common factor in the failure to react to the deaths
before COVID? Money, Big pharma makes billions during flu season,
Coca Cola makes billions selling death to Mexico and are complaining
that their sales are slumping.

Big pharma and Coca Cola have lots of money, and are involved in
Regulatory Capture.

COVID has to be addressed but it is a symptom of a much bigger cause.

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how the former president of Mexico helped make Coca-Cola such a huge part of Mexican life

Posted by Daniel H on July 23, 2020, 10:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Diabetes and Off Thread"

Just had to share this article, unbelievable.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coca-cola-influence-on-mexican-culture-2018-8?r=MX&IR=T

"In some parts of Mexico, it was cheaper and easier to find Coca-Cola than
clean drinking water. Many malnourished communities needed the calories,
so they began drinking more Coke".

"But there was a downside to Coke's sudden spike in popularity —
the diabetes rate doubled in Mexico between 2000 and 2007."

When I said regulatory capture I miss spoke, there was no capture
involved, it was born and raised captured. And they made no connection
between their profit and the number of people dying.

Here is a link to the podcast

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/household-name/e/55889931

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