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Stop Going to Mexico

Posted by Ron Smith on January 29, 2021, 2:58 pm
Edited by board administrator January 29, 2021, 3:37 pm

The San Francisco Examiner posted this article about travel to Mexico. Although I don't agree with all of the assertions there are some interesting concerns expressed in the article. . . not all of it applies to La Manzanilla.

https://www.sfexaminer.com/news-columnists/stop-going-to-mexico/

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Re: Stop Going to Mexico

Posted by Stephanie on January 29, 2021, 3:27 pm, in reply to "Re: Stop Going to Mexico"

Could not agree more! Thanks for the share!

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Re: Stop Going to Mexico

Posted by Daniel H on January 29, 2021, 3:54 pm, in reply to "Stop Going to Mexico"

From the article "The CDC has placed Mexico at Level 4" old news, Mexico went to #3 today.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-mexico-casualties/mexicos-covid-19-death-toll-surpasses-india-becomes-worlds-third-highest-idUSKBN29Y042

travel shame is ok now? Its bad and you should feel bad. Guilt, guilt, exclusion,

"you point your ####ing finger and say there is the bad guy, what does that make you, good? Your not good you just know how to hide and lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth, even when I lie" (Scarface)

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Re: Stop Going to Mexico

Posted by Stephanie on January 29, 2021, 4:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Stop Going to Mexico"

Jalisco has now gone “red button” through Feb. 12th!

Guess they are not happy with the high statistics! And the growing spread!

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button button, who's got the button

Posted by Daniel H on January 29, 2021, 4:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Stop Going to Mexico"

You mean the meaningless button

https://www.wikihow.com/Play-%22Button,-Button,-Who%27s-Got-the-Button%3F%22

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Re: button button, who's got the button

Posted by david dagoli on January 29, 2021, 4:23 pm, in reply to "button button, who's got the button"

Verdad! 😂

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Re: button button, who's got the button

Posted by Monte M on January 29, 2021, 8:12 pm, in reply to "Re: button button, who's got the button"

Red button is a lot like the ban on plastic bags. Kind of a nice idea.

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travel shaming

Posted by Daniel H on January 30, 2021, 10:05 am, in reply to "Stop Going to Mexico"

Its a good link Ron, thank you. (SF Examiner runs a hell of a lot of scripts and tracking cookies).

My first response asked "travel shame is ok now?" I did a bit of searching using travel shaming as the search words. Its an interesting topic with several angles (fairly easy to see the bias on links from travel agencies etc). Here are a couple links but feel free to look through the search results on your own

https://www.fodors.com/news/coronavirus/heres-something-else-to-worry-about-when-you-travel

https://abc7.com/travel-shaming-flying-covid-pandemic/6417145/

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=travel+shaming&t=h_&ia=web

As an aside - Recent restrictions have made it harder for Canadian's to travel, or is that made it harder for poor Canadians to travel?

Mental health and COVID is another important topic which is related to this discussion.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Menal+health+and+COVID&t=h_&ia=web

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Re: travel shaming

Posted by RobertaN on January 31, 2021, 9:24 am, in reply to "travel shaming"

I haven’t been travel shamed by my friends back home but most feel I’m a little nuts. But that might not be anything new.

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Re: travel shaming

Posted by Stephanie on January 31, 2021, 10:01 am, in reply to "Re: travel shaming"

This article is not about shame or finger pointing..it is just facts about attitudes of entitled folks thinking they can come and go when and wherever they wish...and be damned to the their hosts or the lack of infra structure at their destination!

Danial, you may not do Facebook or cnn but seems you are,lately espousing more stuff that sounds like fox! Just saying!

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Re: travel shaming

Posted by Daniel H on January 31, 2021, 10:44 am, in reply to "Re: travel shaming"

Did you read any of the links? Those who are traveling feel that they are taking all precautions and that they are not a risk. Others feel they are a risk and are shaming them for traveling.

Personally I am in the camp that no one should be traveling but that is my OPINION. Should I now shame you for traveling last month to see our parents? I tried to discourage you from traveling but in the end it was your decision and I choose to respect that.

"it is just facts about attitudes of entitled folks thinking they can come and go when and wherever they wish...and be damned to the their hosts or the lack of infra structure at their destination! "

The article is an opinion nd the rest of your sentence is what shaming is, making someone feel bad about their opinion

Thanks for the Sunday morning giggle.

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Re: travel shaming

Posted by david dagoli on January 31, 2021, 12:31 pm, in reply to "Re: travel shaming"
Edited by board administrator January 31, 2021, 2:46 pm

Perhaps it’s gone beyond shaming. Here is another current opinion.

https://members5.boardhost.com/lamanzanilla/msg/1612125808.html

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Re: travel shaming

Posted by Daniel H on January 31, 2021, 3:40 pm, in reply to "Re: travel shaming"

"Perhaps it’s gone beyond shaming".

Beyond shaming would be either physical violence or acceptance. Facts are slippery little ####ers, even when you got a bunch of them its more than difficult to convince everyone that they are true.

The Washington Post article the author links to links again to a Daily Beast article that says "Be Svendsen, a Danish DJ who performed a cenote set during Art With Me, claims he got COVID following the fest, and that he “heard of at least 17 other people” who also came down with COVID after attending festival parties."

Both the Washington Post and the Daily Beast articles talk mostly about either people getting the virus in Mexico and/or bringing the virus BACK TO THE US. I was under the assumption that the Stop going to Mexico article was concerned about travelers bring the virus TO MEXICO, kinda confusing. .

The Daily Beast quote is the closest the author of Stog going to Mexico gets to providing facts to back up his claims that travelers are bringing the virus to Mexico. The reason for that is those statistics don't exist, which makes his statements opinion.

What is kind of funny is that I basically agree with the author that people should Stop going to Mexico (or anywhere for that matter) but I don't have the facts to tell someone else who is taking precautions that they are bad, stupid, inconsiderate etc. for going there. Even if I did have the facts hopefully I would find a way to communicate them without shaming.

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