Another covid story
Posted by Monte M on May 3, 2021, 9:53 am-----------------------Re: Another covid story
Posted by Steve S on May 5, 2021, 11:25 am, in reply to "Another covid story"
Yes it’s called paranoia and spread more fear ! | -----------------------Re: Another covid story
Posted by M Morgan on May 6, 2021, 6:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Another covid story"-----------------------Another covid story - One Of The World's Poorest Countries Has One Of The World's Lowest COVID Death
Posted by Daniel H on May 5, 2021, 11:59 am, in reply to "Another covid story"-----------------------Re: Another covid story
Posted by Cruz G on May 5, 2021, 1:59 pm, in reply to "Another covid story"
Thank you, Monte. I'd rather keep an open eye and not be sneaked upon, lol. I'm not fearful, just want to keep awake and alert. Look at India whose president went to sleep after treacherously yelling victory. Cruz | -----------------------Weighing in on the Covid situation
Posted by Robbie Boyes on May 6, 2021, 7:52 pm, in reply to "Re: Another covid story"
I am pretty sure that statisticss aren't 100% accurate. The do ,however, give us an idea of how severe the Covid situation is. I have heard people, some of them good friends, denounce the seriousness of this global pandemic. They speak with bravado about how they aren't going to live in fear and nobody is going to tell them what to do. And they accuse all the doctors nurses first responders lab technicians and other health care workers of siding with the pharmaceuticals that are hyping this up so they can profit big time. My own personal opinion is that there are a whole lot of concerned people working very hard to stop the spread of this virus and the least we can do is observe some safety rules. I don't live in fear, I live with respect. My concerns are not just for myself and my freedom, but are for the good of all mankind. The countries that have are showing some control over the spread are countries where the population has complied with the protocol. Over | -----------------------Re: Weighing in on the Covid situation
Posted by Daniel H on May 9, 2021, 9:09 pm, in reply to "Weighing in on the Covid situation"
Hey Robbie, I have been thinking about your post since you did it. And just wanted to say I enjoyed it, especially the - My own personal opinion - part. Very well said. Thank you. | -----------------------Biden says he plans to back WTO IP waiver for COVID-19 vaccines
Posted by Daniel H on May 5, 2021, 3:38 pm, in reply to "Another covid story"-----------------------Re: Biden says he plans to back WTO IP waiver for COVID-19 vaccines
Posted by James F on May 5, 2021, 7:25 pm, in reply to "Biden says he plans to back WTO IP waiver for COVID-19 vaccines"
Is about time an understatement? | -----------------------Re: Biden says he plans to back WTO IP waiver for COVID-19 vaccines
Posted by Daniel H on May 5, 2021, 9:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Biden says he plans to back WTO IP waiver for COVID-19 vaccines"
"Is about time an understatement?" No, actually its an over statement Shit, I just clicked on my own link to do a couple quotes and the headline and the article have changed WTF? luckily I save a copy of links and the content to my hard drive so no matter what they do I have a copy of the original. Now, do I respond to the original as I intended to do or to the currently linked article? I have an idea, I will copy paste the original here and work from that. ----------------- Biden says he plans to back WTO IP waiver for COVID-19 vaccines "President Joe Biden on Wednesday threw his support behind a proposed World Trade Organization waiver of intellectual property rights for COVID-19 vaccines, bowing to mounting pressure from Democratic lawmakers and more than 100 other countries. Biden, who had backed a waiver during the 2020 presidential campaign, voiced his support after a speech at the White House. "Yes, I'm going to talk about that later today, yes," Biden told reporters in reply to a question about whether he intended to back the waiver. Biden's chief trade negotiator, U.S. Trade Representative Katherine Tai, issued a statement shortly after Biden spoke, announcing the Biden administration's support for the proposed measure, which would temporarily waive certain IP rights to help countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic. “This is a global health crisis, and the extraordinary circumstances of the COVID-19 pandemic call for extraordinary measures," Tai said in a statement. "The Administration believes strongly in intellectual property protections, but in service of ending this pandemic, supports the waiver of those protections for COVID-19 vaccines." Tai said the United States would participate in text-based negotiations at the WTO to ensure the waiver could happen, but cautioned those negotiations would take time. WTO decisions require a consensus of all members. The United States and several other countries had previously blocked negotiations at the WTO about the waiver proposal led by India and South Africa aimed at helping developing countries to produce COVID-19 vaccines using the IP of pharmaceutical companies. --------------------- The quote of the original I went to find was "Tai said the United States would participate in text-based negotiations at the WTO to ensure the waiver could happen, but cautioned those negotiations would take time." Basically that says the expected outcome is bullshit, but its bullshit about bullshit. So the question is...is that progress or just bullshit? If I may venture a guess I would say bullshit about bullshit is double plus good bullshit.
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Posted by Daniel H on May 6, 2021, 4:04 am, in reply to "Re: Biden says he plans to back WTO IP waiver for COVID-19 vaccines"
I got a bit pissed at Reuters for changing the link vs offering a link to the update. so I would like to temper the double plus good bullshit and defer to those who work on this all the time. https://www.keionline.org/36102 I strongly support the closing statement "it is a good time to brush up on potential for the Biden Administration to use the Defense Production Act to loosen up access to manufacturing know-how and access to working cell lines, and ask the WHO what are its procedures are for evaluating quality of generic/biosimilar vaccines". IMO the moment of most effect has passed but there may be some salvation in the current actions if they don't drag out too long. IMO this whole TRIPS thing would have been almost irrelevant if the US had used the marching rights in the Bayh-Dole Act and the War time powers to give the Moderna vaccine to the world as a gift. And then kept up with the Warp Drive mentality in helping the world in anyway it could to manufacture as much of that vaccine as is humanly possible. Three reasons to share the vaccine 1) Morals - its the right thing to do 2) Self interest - Stop the variants, We go together or not at all. 3) Political - Vaccine diplomacy on the most grand of scales. No other nation could touch the value of the gift, the US would be the saviors of the world. That is what real leadership does, it leads no matter how much flack it gets from the established mindset.
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Posted by david dagoli on May 6, 2021, 9:51 am, in reply to "Re: Biden says he plans to back WTO IP waiver for COVID-19 vaccines"
We saw a report on this last night on the CBC National. Unfortunately, the problem is that if it was even possible, it would take at least a year or more for a poor country to set up vaccine manufacturing, which is a complex ‘technology transfer'. By that time, the variants would be out of control. I don’t have a link, sorry. | -----------------------Re: Biden says he plans to back WTO IP waiver for COVID-19 vaccines
Posted by Daniel H on May 6, 2021, 11:39 am, in reply to "Re: Biden says he plans to back WTO IP waiver for COVID-19 vaccines"
If Moderna had been open sourced there is a very good chance that we would be at least 1 billion jabs ahead of where we are now, and that a generic version would either exist or be close to existing by now. Open source is the answer, it works great on computer software, its just a hurdle to overcome blocked by big profits. As it is now even the Bayh-Dole Act is being attacked in an attempt to eliminate march in rights due to price and other changes. The TRIPS waiver was first proposed in October 2021, 7 months ago! Its too easy to dwell on the past, lets just hope it doesn't take too long for this to be implemented and that it is not too watered down. Don't forget Canadians your government is one of the countries opposing the waiver. Anyone write their representative about this? What would be really great is if main stream media starts covering not only this but many of the atrocities committed by big Pharma and of patent protections in general. Like the profiting off the sale of research paid for by the taxpayers, which limits access and makes it harder for others to innovate. Thank you Aaron Swartz. There are some big time scams going on and it makes one wonder who is representing the taxpayer? | -----------------------Re: Biden says he plans to back WTO IP waiver for COVID-19 vaccines
Posted by Cruz G on May 6, 2021, 2:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Biden says he plans to back WTO IP waiver for COVID-19 vaccines"
Hola, Daniel. Amen! Profit reigns and taxpayers pay. No justice and we face ------- to boot. Cruz | -----------------------Another viewmpoint
Posted by Neal on May 7, 2021, 11:24 am, in reply to "Another covid story"-----------------------Re: Another viewmpoint
Posted by Daniel H on May 7, 2021, 11:34 am, in reply to "Another viewmpoint"
Its not news, its opinion. I think you have to be from La Manz to have one of those | -----------------------Re: Another viewpoint
Posted by Pablo on May 7, 2021, 7:51 pm, in reply to "Another viewmpoint"
Thanks for posting this article, Neal. It's good to at least have the other side of the debate heard. "If Moderna had been open sourced there is a very good chance that we would be at least 1 billion jabs ahead of where we are now, and that a generic version would either exist or be close to existing by now." Says who, you? Source please. Unsupported statements like this, as if they are fact, do not help. Kinda surprised to see this from you, Daniel. Anyone else would be verbally eviscerated for posting this... lol... | -----------------------Re: Another viewpoint
Posted by Daniel H on May 7, 2021, 9:15 pm, in reply to "Re: Another viewpoint"
God help us if we start allowing opinions as valid news sources. Those who are part of this message board are allowed to express opinions about news but not express opinions about professionsal opinions. Well at least up to this point, its actually never been discussed nor is it in the guidelines. "If Moderna had been open sourced there is a very good chance............." Says who, you? Source please. Unsupported statements like this, as if they are fact, do not help. "there is a very good chance" pretty much states my source, if there was a source I think you know I would have linked to it. "Kinda surprised to see this from you, Daniel. Anyone else would be verbally eviscerated for posting this... lol..." You just did verbally eviscerate me, I'm surprised your surprised, we have been butting heads for years. Yin/Yang/contrast/cognitive dissonance/opinion/nature,nurture, whatever you want to call it... I allow you your opinion and try my very best not to get ad hominid i.e. call you names or box you into a paradigm, left, right, scarcity or abundance or whatever. it's just another day, big ####ing deal.
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Posted by Pablo on May 8, 2021, 2:44 am, in reply to "Re: Another viewpoint"
Yes, my bad Daniel. If there was a link to what you said, of course you would have listed it. I see now that it was just your opinion - I mistakenly thought that you might have got it from a news outlet you trusted somewhere, hence my ask about a source. Sorry for my misinterpretation of the board guidelines. What I should have simply said was that I disagree completely with your facile contention that a million Moderna jabs could have been administered by now if it was open-sourced. "You just did verbally eviscerate me..." I did? Jeez, I thought my comment was really quite tame, at least by my sarcastic standards. It was said with a wink and a nod (notice the lol...), so I apologize that my flippancy caused you such distress. I don't know if there's an emoji for "tongue in cheek", but that's what I wanted to imply. Lighten up, dude, you're in paradise! "I allow you your opinion and try my very best not to get ad hominid i.e. call you names..." A sign of maturity that you don't call me names, definitely appreciated. And very big of you to allow my opinions on your board, but why wouldn't you allow them? The vast majority of my posts are (what I hope are) helpful responses with information re La Manz. that people are looking for. And true I sometimes respond, often strongly, to what I consider mis- or disinformation when I see it. After almost 40 years on and off of experiencing this jewel of a pueblo, I feel that I'm as much a part of La Manz. as anyone else posting here. Is it because I have the temerity at times to disagree with some of your opinions/rants that you would even consider my censorship (a word I know you don't like to include in your lexicon)? You say we've been head-butting for years - I simply think of it as debate, sometimes healthy, sometimes not so much. So we don't see ojo a ojo on some things, D. To quote you, "big ####ing deal"... Best to you...
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Posted by Neal on May 8, 2021, 6:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Another viewpoint"
To change the subject slightly I’m kind of glad the disagreement is about how to bring vaccines to the rest of the world not about the need or the responsibility of the wealthier nation to do it. | -----------------------Die lange Bank der Patentfreigabe - The long road to patent clearance
Posted by Daniel H on May 9, 2021, 9:52 am, in reply to "Re: Another viewpoint"
Check out this article from Germany, (its been automatically translated by a bot) and has some good data points that are new (at least to me). https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/n7woj7/the_long_road_to_patent_clearance/ Also check the comments, very good IMO, most posted by people who know a lot about the details of different manufactures and the processes. Also of note - This article was translated by a bot, something I don't see much of, but would like to see more of, especially of this quality of writing. I also found a new translator which doesn't even have one tracking cookie! https://www.deepl.com/Translator
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