Tamarindo
Posted by Glenn m on January 4, 2022, 9:49 am
Looks like Tamarindo has made cnn's list of best New hotels to book in 2022. So sad. | -------------------Re: Tamarindo
Posted by Daniel H on January 4, 2022, 10:19 am, in reply to "Tamarindo " Edited by board administrator January 4, 2022, 10:28 am
Near the bottom of the list "Carved into a cliff on a private peninsula on Mexico's Pacific Coast, the newest Four Seasons promises to deliver a new level of conscious luxury when it opens in April 2022. It's nestled within a 3,000-acre private eco-reserve, with a Discovery Center to educate guests about the area's native wildlife and an eco-friendly design that blends seamlessly into the environment. The 157 rooms -- decorated in stone, wood and local textiles -- are divided amongst the beach, forest and the cliffs; cliffside suites are the cream of the crop with their private infinity pools overlooking the Pacific Ocean. Four Seasons Resort Tamarindo, K.M. 7.5 Carretera Federal 200 Barra de Navidad-Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco, México https://www.fourseasons.com/tamarindo/ "A privileged corner of the world" https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/best-new-hotels-2022/index.html | -------------------Re: Tamarindo
Posted by Larry F on January 4, 2022, 10:37 am, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo "
Quote from their website: “This particular topography, and the wildlife that calls it home, make the area a treasure to be protected. We provide a natural refuge for those who seek an authentic connection to Mexico, its biodiversity and culture. The best of Mexico has yet to be discovered.” Protecting wildlife? Authentic connection to Mexico’s biodiversity and culture? Makes you want to puke. | -------------------Re: Tamarindo
Posted by CraigB on January 4, 2022, 10:45 am, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo "
Unconscious Luxury comes to mind. | -------------------Re: Tamarindo
Posted by Daniel H on January 4, 2022, 10:51 am, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo "
Larry, do you know any of the procedures they have gone through to protect the wildlife? I suspect not. Gerardo did a lot of work there on ecology, hopefully he will post some information here. | -------------------Re: Tamarindo
Posted by Jo Anna H on January 4, 2022, 11:56 am, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo "
There is so much "ecofriendly" b.s., it makes me think of the last cattle ranch I worked on ... oops, that was never a reality, just a dream. But, seriously, folks, who believes all that crappola? How many private, infinity pools does it take to seriously mess with the environment, for a teeny tiny example? Makes one want to join Larry in the puking fields! | -------------------Re: Tamarindo
Posted by Daniel H on January 4, 2022, 8:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo "
" How many private, infinity pools does it take to seriously mess with the environment" How many pools are there in La Manzanilla? Are each of those private owners messing with the environment? | -------------------Re: Tamarindo
Posted by Jo Anna H on January 4, 2022, 9:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo "
Certainly the one up the hill from me is creating a mess all down Boca del Rio. | -------------------Re: Tamarindo
Posted by Cheryl on January 4, 2022, 10:27 pm, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo "
Report it to the delegado and the Ejido | -------------------Re: Tamarindo
Posted by Nigel on January 4, 2022, 5:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo "
Maybe it's possible for the development to be eco-friendly'ish. But it requires the owner/operators and hotel visitors to pro-actively invest in local environmental projects. Then they can make up for the land lost to infinity pools? What are the most pressing environmental priorities for our area?
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Posted by Nigel on January 4, 2022, 4:30 pm, in reply to "Tamarindo "
Inspired by the thread on Tamarindo nature preservation, I found myself wondering whether any of the land is accessible by non-hotel-residents and also whether hotel residents will be able to take the "short cut" to La Manzanilla? For example, can a non-worker pass the entrance south of the Rio? (in or out...) Or can a non resident drive into the main entrance at the 200? I added yellow highlight to the roads of interest... Has anyone tried?
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Posted by Daniel H on January 4, 2022, 4:35 pm, in reply to "Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access"
I haven't done it recently, but used to be you had to have a reservation for golf or the hole 9 restaurant to get into Tamarindo, then you could use either gate. | -------------------Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access
Posted by Gerardo on January 4, 2022, 8:15 pm, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access"
a very controversial topic, the best place to talk about this and more for sure...... is at the mangrove birding tour, for info 315 112 0373 ecostalegre@gmail.com | -------------------Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access
Posted by Daniel H on January 4, 2022, 8:51 pm, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access"
I didn't mean to put you on the spot, I didn't realize it was controversial. I remember when the project was first starting you were hired to go relocate all the animals that would be directly impacted by the construction. I don't know if that was required by law or not but either way it was being environmentally considerate, at least at some level. The Four Seasons is billing themselves as being environmentally friendly. I don't know what steps they have taken in that direction and would not want to disrespect them until I had the facts of how true that statement is. If they have expended effort and money in that area it would be nice to recognize that eh? | -------------------Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access
Posted by Beccistarr on January 4, 2022, 9:04 pm, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access"
This is great. Something new to bitch about that is now a done deal. | -------------------Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access
Posted by Nigel on January 4, 2022, 10:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access"
"Done Deals" can also be opportunities. Wealthy people may come to the hotel and want to contribute to helping the local environment. | -------------------Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access
Posted by Brenda Buchanan on January 5, 2022, 10:08 am, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access"
I remember in the early stages, 3 local la Manzanilla workers were shot and killed as they were walking to la Manzanilla on the path. That horrific mystery had folks whispering “Cartel”. As I write this, far from la Manz, I remember how present was the fear. Tamarindo may indeed be an environmentally sensitive Cartel controlled resort for the wealthy. Missing laManz, Brenda from the beach in olden days. | -------------------Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access
Posted by CraigB on January 5, 2022, 11:13 am, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access"
Good point by Nigel with positive potential. Some thoughts. Tamarindo could organize a tour to show off environmental planning and projects. Indeed with some of the mega wealthy visitors and Tamarindo corporate could easily contribute to an effort to comprehensively solve sewage treatment issues in LaManz to help protect the town and the valuable ecology of the Lagoon and Bay. The Lagoon should be considered a valuable local attraction/resource for Tamarindo. And of course working on long term solutions to water. Adversarial relations can be turned into mutually beneficial outcomes with the right players, funding and planning with some vision. In California I have been involved in a number of community based watershed restoration planning efforts that brought about recovery of Salmon, Steelhead, and forest health. Early on a number of the players Timber, Ag, Enviros, Tribes could barely be in the same room and over time worked through all that. | -------------------Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access
Posted by Larry F on January 5, 2022, 11:22 am, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access"
To be fair, there is no relationship between the Tamarindo of the past and the Four Seasons Tamarindo. Four Seasons is a multi-national conglomerate and any ties it has to the cartels would be difficult to ascertain. Given the hesitancy of those in the know to speak publically about the risk to wildlife the development may have, one might speculate that the news is not good. One environmental matter that is straightforward is water. We all know about the groundwater situation in La Manzanilla. There is not enough of it at present and Four Seasons has yet to open. When it does, and reaches full capacity, we can with relative ease, roughly calculate water consumption by the number of daily toilet flushes, showers, restaurant food production, grounds maintenance, golf course operation and worker housing. I wonder if Four Seasons consulted with and had joint feasibility studies with local and municipal governments on water supply. We’re local residents consulted? Now let’s add in the impact of the development down the beach. What then? There is not an endless supply of groundwater. I’m not pretending to know the answers here. Just asking the questions. | -------------------Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access
Posted by Steve on January 5, 2022, 5:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access"
I will speak of what I know and nothing else. During construction of the golf course in 94 several deep wells were drilled. These provided the million gallons a day needed for growing in 18 holes. Also a large system of connected irrigation lakes. Have the wells dried up? I do not know. The concrete plant at the end of town, and on-site construction water used a ton of town water I'm sure. Could we actually see consumption go down? Assuming the water supply for golf is still producing. | -------------------Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access
Posted by Benito on January 6, 2022, 11:53 am, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access"
I wonder about the sewer system? | -------------------Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Ownership
Posted by Barb Murray on January 5, 2022, 11:23 am, in reply to "Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access"
Hola Amigos! We can’t be in La Manz this winter but when we saw the marketing video 3 years ago on the Tamarindo Resort with a deforested, man-made terraced construction site it was shocking and the heavily guarded Punta Mita peninsula came to mind. Here is a very interesting audio clip on Forbes explaining why Bill Gates bought controlling interest in four Seasons (71%). https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferleighparker/2021/09/14/what-bill-gates-four-seasons-deal-tells-us-about-the-future-of-travel/?sh=50ed424417eb. This is the same Bill Gates that is going to save the planet from the ravages of Climate Change-we even have his book in our library. Near the end of the audio the FS’s long term (120+yr) strategy by their Cdn Manager is explained. Everyone Stay Safe and Enjoy the beach & village! Hopefully see you in La Manz next year 🤞❤️🌞 | -------------------Re: Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access
Posted by David c on January 5, 2022, 11:29 am, in reply to "Tamarindo / Four Seasons Access"
Nigel, I was there yesterday to check on my property by the bridge about a kilometer on the road off 200. There were workers there planting agave on the property next to mine. I suspect that once they are close to opening they may control the entrance like it used to be many years ago. Right now you can drive up to the check point for Tamarindo, about 2 kilometers in from 200 but no further unless you are expected. | -------------------
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