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Four Seasons @ Tamarindo

Posted by ElkeG on August 17, 2020, 3:07 pm

A year ago, Vern and I ventured out with friends on a lancha to the Tamarindo area to view the 4 Seasons Resort construction. After Genevieve passes, we're planning on a return visit to document the progress. (Best if viewed in at least 1080p) Stay tuned for the next drone adventure!

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Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo

Posted by Valerie D on August 18, 2020, 8:54 am, in reply to "Four Seasons @ Tamarindo"

So glad I didn’t have to beg for one! Thanks, Elke and Vern, I’m really looking forward to seeing what’s going on over there.

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Four Seasons @ Tamarindo

Posted by AGE3RD on August 20, 2020, 8:31 am, in reply to "Four Seasons @ Tamarindo"

The video is dated July 27, 2019 and shows lots of construction still to be done. A year has passed, how much closer is Four Seasons to completion? The larger question is what source do they have that La Manzanilla doesn't have for potable water?

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Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo

Posted by Dan Manning on August 21, 2020, 9:28 pm, in reply to "Four Seasons @ Tamarindo"

Can’t wait for the update please !!!

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Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo

Posted by john p on August 22, 2020, 9:36 am, in reply to "Four Seasons @ Tamarindo"

https://fourseasonseltamarindo.com-hotel.com/en/

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Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo

Posted by M Morgan on August 22, 2020, 9:59 am, in reply to "Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo"

The 4 seasons page is fairly typical visual swindle, kinda. The future tense "will" is in the description and there are lots of pretty pictures that the unsuspecting might miss the heading, "See photos FOR Four Seasons Tamarindo". The photos are so obviously from another property and the key word is FOR.

Conveniently there is a an online booking form implying that rooms and prices are available now.

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Four Seasons

Posted by Red on August 23, 2020, 9:32 am, in reply to "Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo"

Thanks for the music Mr Morgan, always a favorite song. So appropriate, a couple of years back they came and paved Concha Molida and Maria Elba streets. Parts mind you, and part of Perula as well. We all thought it was Christmas at the time. No big bill on the yearly tax statement, no politician at our front door with his pocket open, we thought "what strings"?

The realty soon became apparent when a dozen tour buses parked along Concha alone on a busy weekend. Often 20 buses in our little north end neighborhood. "Paved and put up a parking lot". Oh yeah, 20 buses running the loud, smelly, obnoxious diesel engines for the air conditioning while the driver naps. The frosting on the cake is coming at the end of the day however, when the tourists leave their dirty diapers, beer cans and other assorted litter in my flower beds. Great fun you say, it will get better come Monday.

Monday, bright and early at 7am the first truck starts up to build air pressure. Soon the gravel trucks and parade of worker bees riding in grossly overloaded pickups and one ton stake beds headed for 4seasons fill the morning. Any gaps in the truck traffic are taken by any one of the five hundred new motos in town racing across the new short cut in Lamanz. Neighbors tried putting in some Topes back in the summer of '19 to slow the traffic on Maria Elba, nice work, but the town sent out workers to remove the Topes? Guess we are not allowed any self defense from the gross destruction of our peace and quiet. So now that I'm a good Mexican I guess I should roll over and submit without complaint? I'm not thinking so. Pancho was my hero!

Since there is a conspiracy of silence from the municipo, pueblo, ejido, and realtors in the area where does one turn to get answers. How much of our (folks who have invested) future has been mortgaged to support poorly planned growth.
When will the roads be repaired from the damage caused from thousands of overloaded trucks, damage that even includes broken drains and sewer lines near the square?
When is a plan for dealing with the tour bus traffic going to happen?
When will the sewer work properly?
When will water supply issues be addressed?
When will they finish the 2 new miradors?

So many questions, so few answers. rojo

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Re: Four Seasons

Posted by Daniel H on August 23, 2020, 1:25 pm, in reply to "Four Seasons"

"Since there is a conspiracy of silence from the municipo, pueblo,
ejido, and realtors in the area...."

Being a realtor I take offense to your accusation of conspiring to
remain silent about anything. What grounds do you have to back
that up? Or is ok in your world to just carelessly throw out
words just cause your in a bad mood? I request a public apology.

Have you gone to the Delegado with your concerns? Have you
done anything to guide, suggest, implement a solution to
any of the problems you listed?

You got the finding bad things down pretty good, now lets see
you make a list of the positive things about life here in
La Manzanilla and Mexico. If you need some help on that I
(and others) will be happy to assist.

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Re: Four Seasons

Posted by Dennis F on August 24, 2020, 2:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Four Seasons"

Daniel H, I know Red to be one of the most wise, rational and level headed of the expatriate community in La Ma, and from the content and tone of your response to him it seems as though he has a good point. Of course, anyone who derives income from real estate sales, rentals or tourism has a clear motivation to keep 'em coming...the tourists, the renters, the buyers, and may not want info that is negative getting around. I have found this to be common in the expatriate communities in latin america.

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Re: Four Seasons

Posted by Daniel H on August 24, 2020, 2:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Four Seasons"
Edited by board administrator August 25, 2020, 6:18 pm

"Of course, anyone who derives income from real estate sales,
rentals or tourism has a clear motivation to keep 'em coming...
the tourists, the renters, the buyers, and may not want info that
is negative getting around"

Its not "of course". Personally I don't give a fu#k if more
buyers, renters or tourist come here or not. I don't care if
negative information gets around and have not now nor ever
conspired to censor anything. I consider them lucky if they
find La Manzanilla and will speak completely honestly
with them.

This is the second time you have accused me of censorship

https://members5.boardhost.com/lamanzanilla/msg/1597420179.html

I am trying to be polite with you but I got to say I think its
about time you shut the fu#k up.

Edit - Dennis contacted me by email and we had a nice chat. I apologized for
saying shut the #### up because the tone of my voice, the way I said it
is not translated and is left up to the reader, which is not good.

In the process of chatting I found out he is not the Dennis (a friend) I thought he was,
Oops.

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Re: Four Seasons

Posted by Red on August 24, 2020, 5:44 pm, in reply to "Re: Four Seasons"

Oh Daniel, you can't be that surprised I would include realtors in a statement concerning lack of transparency in local public works projects. Are you forgetting that you were involved back in '13 when I bought my lote here on Concha Molida? I remember very well all that was not disclosed by you, the realtor, during that transaction. And no, I am not in a bad mood, I thought out what I said very carefully, and more importantly, I stand by it. If you need an apology, then I offer one, I have no intention of making enemies.

As for finding bad things, Daniel, for the last decade I worked all I did was design roads, intersections, traffic calming measures, freeway interchanges, public utilities, and so on and on and on. These are not just casual bitches Daniel, as a professional, I find plenty wrong. The only topics I brought up are the ones you personally have tended to discount and stifle discussion on here on the message board. Try being an advocate for you customers, you might like it.

As for the positives in life, got no complaints. Life here in Lamanz is fine considering the virus and all. My pretty wife is still my best friend. The beach is still there every day and life is good. Peace on ya Daniel, chill.

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Re: Four Seasons

Posted by Daniel H on August 24, 2020, 6:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Four Seasons"

"I would include realtors in a statement concerning lack of
transparency in local public works projects".

You said "Since there is a conspiracy of silence". Do you know
what the word conspiracy means?

- An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful,
or subversive act. -

"I thought out what I said very carefully, and more importantly,
I stand by it".

What you did is called slander, better pick your words a
little more carefully cause I for one am not digging it,to put
it mildly. Not to say what the municipo, pueblo, Ejido, and
other realtors think about your careful words that you stand by.

"I remember very well all that was not disclosed by you"

I'm ready to chat on that here or by email. I don't lie and
I don't cheat or manipulate people.

"as a professional, I find plenty wrong."

You are in a small town in Mexico and comparing it to a big city,
what could possibly go wrong there? You are probably judging
real estate here by the same standard. Helps to remember
where you are Red, this isn't the US and that is one of the
main reasons I and many others are here.

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The good of La Manzanilla

Posted by Daniel H on August 25, 2020, 6:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Four Seasons"

I said "now lets see you make a list of the positive things about
life here in La Manzanilla and Mexico. If you need some help on
that I (and others) will be happy to assist".

Red said "As for the positives in life, got no complaints. Life here
in Lamanz is fine considering the virus and all. My pretty wife
is still my best friend. The beach is still there every day
and life is good."

I would like to add to your list if I may.

The people of La Manzanilla are some of the most beautiful people
I have ever met. Kind, sincere, fun loving, down to earth and very
happy.

I am very grateful that they have not only let me live here the past
20 years but I feel accepted as part of the community.

I am still not fluent in Spanish but have never, as in never, had anyone
(other than gringos) shame me for that.

They are gracious and slow to anger, humble and almost always
see the good side of things.

It is my goal to be more like them.

Anyone have other good parts of La Manzanilla to list? I have
several more things to add if you don't.

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Re: The good of La Manzanilla

Posted by Beccistarr on August 25, 2020, 7:50 pm, in reply to "The good of La Manzanilla"

Kind...welcoming and friendly...some of the hardest workers I’ve ever met. When there’s a hurricane with flooded streets and downed trees there’s no whining ...they rebuild. It’s a privilege to live in the hood. We moved to Boca 11 years ago after living in Vida Del Mar and Club Santiago since 1980...we never looked back. It is paradise and LaManzanilla is the icing on the cake.

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Re: The good of La Manzanilla

Posted by Jean on August 25, 2020, 7:57 pm, in reply to "Re: The good of La Manzanilla"

The original “hood” is Playa Blanca Sur.
We are proud of it!
And will remain so.....

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Re: The good of La Manzanilla

Posted by Beccistarr on August 26, 2020, 9:19 am, in reply to "Re: The good of La Manzanilla"

Not sure what hood I’m in I guess as I’ve only been here 11 years and never heard of the “original hood” but good for you Jean

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Re: The good of La Manzanilla

Posted by Red on August 26, 2020, 10:30 am, in reply to "The good of La Manzanilla"

Just got around to checking the board; Daniel I agree with everything you just wrote. I am also grateful they allow Kathy and I to live here.

My comments are not about the people. They are about open discussion of ongoing infrastructure problems within the community. Until it comes out into the open and is addressed, it will most likely not improve on it's own. I am not looking to just criticize, but to kick start action.

How about some public meetings, in Spanish and English, to bring the community into the discussion. You would be amazed at the response
and willingness to ease the path forward by locals and expats alike if they are included in the process. Bring some new ideas to the table. Open the meetings, include the people, tap their pocket books with LID's or similar means and get it done.

No matter how you deny it, sewage in the street is a health problem. Especially with the poor drainage and dust problem in town.

rojo

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Re: The good of La Manzanilla

Posted by Daniel H on August 26, 2020, 11:22 am, in reply to "Re: The good of La Manzanilla"

"My comments are not about the people."

Read your post Red "Since there is a conspiracy of silence from
the municipo, pueblo, ejido, and realtors in the area....."

That is not a comment about the people?

Truth is that most locals just don't care about the Four seasons
traffic, its not their nature to look for the negative nor
complain. It will subside one day and what little damage there
has been to the roads will most likely be fixed by the project.

There has been significant work and progress on the sewers and
other issues, people do care and have/are taking action.

I agree there should be a community plan (if there is not one already).

Yes, communication is good, but vomiting a laundry list of complaints in
one post is not the way to proceed IMO.

You can do what you want, it was when you said "conspiracy of
silence" that I called bull shit.

My comments about the people is only one part of a long list
of things that are very very good about La Manzanilla.
That list is a lot longer than the list of issues and that is
where I choose to focus almost all of my attention.

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Rojo, contact me please

Posted by Deano on August 26, 2020, 6:17 am, in reply to "Re: Four Seasons"

deansplace2010@hotmail.com
gracias mi amigo..

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Re: Four Seasons

Posted by Monte Morgan on August 25, 2020, 12:43 am, in reply to "Four Seasons"

rojo por favor, enviar me a perm.culture@gmail.com

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Re: Four Seasons

Posted by Tim Edwards on August 26, 2020, 8:04 am, in reply to "Four Seasons"

One thing to keep in mind...... the influx of busses is almost entirely due to the takeover of Tenacatita by an individual and the loss of access to the beach and the closing of the restaurants. There was an immediate increase of busses coming for the week/weekend/holiday.

On top of this has been the development of the 4 Seasons and their decision to bring all the traffic through LM instead of their private road. This had happened before when they were building the houses on the cliff overlooking the bay.

I have done some research and can't find where local realtors had any influence in those two events.

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Re: Four Seasons

Posted by Red on August 26, 2020, 10:42 am, in reply to "Re: Four Seasons"

Thanks Tim. Input from the old hands in town certainly helps. rojo

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Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo

Posted by Jeanne on August 23, 2020, 2:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo"

Yes, it's al there on the website, with booking dates starting today. BUT if you try to book a room, the site returns a message that there is no availability.

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Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo

Posted by CraigB on August 26, 2020, 9:28 am, in reply to "Four Seasons @ Tamarindo"

I would like to tour the property. From what I can see from the air I predict the development is going to face some significant erosion problems.

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Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo

Posted by Tim Edwards on August 27, 2020, 1:59 pm, in reply to "Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo"

This will be a good test for the erosion control. A few years ago, one of the houses, or part of one up on the cliff got taken out

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Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo

Posted by CraigB on August 28, 2020, 9:58 am, in reply to "Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo"

Some current drone footage would be very telling on how well erosion control or the lack thereof worked.

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Re: Four Seasons @ Tamarindo

Posted by CraigB on August 30, 2020, 10:00 am, in reply to "Four Seasons @ Tamarindo"

Again, would like to see drone footage of the project after this storm event.

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