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Just putting it out here...

Posted by Stephanie on September 19, 2020, 3:34 pm

.......have not yet decided to...but..my Mom turns 90 in about a month and sure would like to surprise her with a quick visit..so might be looking for someone to caretake house and dog and cat...I mention..might..as I have not really decided if I want to fly..or not! But knowing me...my heartstrings will pull me in the GO direction!

If interested, please reply here or email me at swunner@earthlink.net or call 315-351-7251!

Thanks!

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Re: Just putting it out here...

Posted by Daniel H on September 20, 2020, 8:55 pm, in reply to "Just putting it out here..."

Just kinda popped into my head at sunset.

I assume you will be staying with your parents. What are the
conditions like there? Is it open air flow or A/C?

Will you be self quarantining for two weeks before visiting?

"Everything and Nothing". Living in La Manz we have grown complacent,
the open lifestyle and the constant ocean breeze have blessed us
by reducing the virus load of any transmission.

You will be traveling in that other world where the virus is everything.
I can think of no place more prone to getting a significant viral
load than an airplane. Mask or no mask, contained environment with
recirculated air. Danger Will Robinson, Danger.

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Posted by Stephanie on September 20, 2020, 9:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Well Danial to be sure a whole lot of thought went into this in a very short amount of time ..weighing all the pros and cons but the emotional need to visit with my parents while they are healthy and active as opposed to waiting when things might get better wins!

Yes, I would be staying the entire trip with them...and they have gone out very little in the last 6 months..and mask! They live in a retirement community where there have been no cases reported according to,their friends who I am in communication with. So I feel safe being with them! And checked with other who have traveled to the States recently and there is not a 14 day isolation once you arrive in Calif as there is in Canada!

They heat there house when cold and use ac when hot! They live on a golf course so I walk a lot to give them space and I get exercise..so get a lot of fresh air there if there are no fires!

As I have been home almost 90% of the time in the last 6 months do not feel like I will be taking cooties from here to there which iwas my greatest worry! I mask up here when out and use gel at all stops so think I am good!

After talking to others that have flown recently..have no worries about airplanes or airports..most likely the cleanest places now and I hear quite quiet! Called the hotel I use in LA and all systems are in place to sanitize your every space!

My biggest regret would be not going!

Thanks for thinking of me at sunset!

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Posted by Jo Anna on September 20, 2020, 11:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Stephanie, you're obviously considering this very carefully. And, Daniel, I 'get' your concerns; they are mine as well, with regard to travel -- I haven't seen my daughter in a YEAR because of all of this.
I will, in all likelihood, be arriving in LM within the next few weeks. I will, like you, Stephanie, be taking all reasonable precautions while in transit; and, when thinking about your aging parents, I'd likely make the same choice you seem to be inclined toward.
These are enormous decisions. (Like that's news to anyone?) And they have, potentially, governance over life and death.
There's a place in all of this for the head, and there's a place for the heart. Each of us will find our own way through this morass.
Safe travels, darlin', should you decide to fly, y lovelove a tus padres.

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Re: Just putting it out here...

Posted by Daniel H on September 21, 2020, 10:28 am, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

I wasn't going to respond as you have made your decision and I
have done my job of being myself.
But it seems there is a bit more to say. I feel like I want to apologize
for saying it but will not be doing that.

In short there is a lot of you and very little them (and their
community) in your response.

My original post was not about you but about your parents who are
90 years old (and their friends), So about you but indirectly.

"So I feel safe being with them!" How do they feel safe being with you?
They have stayed home and use mask and now have someone traveling
through the danger zone coming into their safe space.

"My biggest regret would be not going!" No, your biggest regret
would be finding out you were the vector for the virus coming into
their or their friends lives.

"Thanks for thinking of me at sunset". As I said the thought was not
about you but your mother and you by implication.

Again, not easy for me to take the position of Debby downer, just sayin
what I feel needs to be said.

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Re: Just putting it out here...

Posted by Beccistarr on September 21, 2020, 10:42 am, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

It isn’t mandatory to quarantine for 14 days when arriving in the US...because we have a bonehead administration but the people who care about themselves and the at-risk family they are visiting...quarantine. It’s the moral thing to do. How horrible would you feel if you picked up the virus enroute and gave it to someone...anyone.
We are coming home to Boca and know there is a risk flying. For that reason we will quarantine for 10 to 14 days in our beach house.
Now is not the time to let one’s guard down and the bonus is you’ll know if you have a clean slate or not

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Posted by Daniel H on September 21, 2020, 10:57 am, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Agree with your post Becci, but have a little addendum which
is, what environment are you going to, open spaces or confined area?
That is why my first question to Stephanie was "What are the conditions
like there? Is it open air flow or A/C?".

In town social distancing is very easy and most places have good
to excellent air flow which reduces the viral load of any transmission.
I use my instincts. For example the place I usually get my beard trimmed,
A couple months ago I walked up to the door for my appointment and saw
the barber was not wearing a mask and there was very little air flow in
that shop. I never entered as my instincts told me that it was not
worth the risk. I am looking pretty shaggy these days

If I was traveling through the danger zone to La Manzanilla I would
be extra cautious for a couple weeks e.g. definitely a mask in the stores
and confined places but would not totally quarantine as I don't think
that to be necessary given the situation here. Its a case by case decision.

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Posted by Stephanie on September 21, 2020, 12:45 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Thanks Danial for your care and concerns!

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Posted by Carol L. on September 21, 2020, 2:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Wow! I’ve just read this whole thread through again, and am so impressed with how respectfully everyone has shared their knowledge and opinions, taking risks with each others’ feelings, because they care.

I’ve seen posts on FB and WhatsApp some where people are saying, “ Gracias, Hernan”,. I interpret it to mean that Hernan has given us the opportunity to really face the garbage/ litter/ recycling issues head on. And Gracias, COVID, if it helps us learn to really listen to each other’s points of view.

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Posted by Beccistarr on September 21, 2020, 9:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Carol ....you are seriously special. See you around

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Posted by Sherri on September 21, 2020, 11:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

So in response to all this good info., does anyone know of any store that the employees wear masks, and customers are also required to wear them? Only OXXO, that is sad.

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Posted by Stephanie on September 22, 2020, 8:43 am, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Hahahahaha..ah Michelle, you gave me the best belly laugh I have had in a very long time, thank you!

And thanks to those who called, sent texts and emails..greatly appreciated!

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Posted by Michelle C on September 22, 2020, 12:19 am, in reply to "Just putting it out here..."

Boy, did this zoom off topic!

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Posted by Heidi on September 24, 2020, 2:22 pm, in reply to "Just putting it out here..."

I finally made it home! A few more days of quarantine and a covid test and i can visit with friends and family.

However on my flight from Dallas to Calgary I was exposed to Covid.

A review of online flights with Covid showed that my flight number indicated exposure to Covid on seats 15 to 21, my seat was 19.

As an immune compromised person it was jarring news. Not only for myself but for my son who picked me up. His life also changed in a second. Direct exposure puts a different spin on things.

My biggest worry was that I may of brought covid home and unintentionally hurt someone who loves me. It is such a sad feeling.

Stay safe.

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Posted by M Morgan on September 24, 2020, 2:37 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Thank you so much for putting it out there Heidi. So many here are so complacent and irresponsible, your testimony hits a little closer to home and maybe a few more will pay attention and take appropriate measures. Again, thank you.

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Posted by Cruz on September 24, 2020, 6:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Hola, Heidi. Glad you made it back in one piece and that you shared your experience. Sharing of any Covid-19 personal encounter is so needed and appreciated.

Good wishes and luck to you both. Thank you, Cruz

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Posted by Daniel H on September 24, 2020, 7:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Thanks for posting and may I add very brave and empathetic of you!

Did the airline contact you or did you seek the informatio?

If the latter how did you do that?

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Posted by Myranda and Mike on September 24, 2020, 9:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Heidi - thank you for sharing and I hope neither you nor your son get sick.

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Posted by Daniel H on September 25, 2020, 12:59 am, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Hi Heidi,

You basically answered my question when you said "A review of
online flights with Covid" meaning they did not contact you.

I found the website, 45 entries in the past 14 days.

I couldn't find anything similar for the US.

Question for you. Did you give or did anyone ask for your email or
phone number at any time between booking the flight and your son
picking you up at the airport?

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Posted by Heidi on September 25, 2020, 12:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Thank you for the well wishes.

I left La Manzanilla with Aaron(sp) our lovely taxi driver to Puerto Vallarta. I sat in back seat. In P.V.airport everyone wore masks but I did not find any hand sanitizer. At no time was any information asked of me as to my health or contacts.
I did renew my expired visa at the immigration office which opened at 10 a.m. in the airport. Cost was approximately 550 pesos. I was told there is a place to renew expired visas in Melaque.
On my flight to Dallas we were given a bag with a small bottle of water,cookies and one hand sanitizer. No forms filled out and no temperature check.
In Dallas the airport was like Calcutta. Everyone wearing masks but it was impossible to social distance, no hand sanitizer and no health check.

I was offered one hand sanitizer when I boarded my flight to Calgary. As in the previous flight we were jammed in like sardines. An additional good thing about masks is you can sleep with your mouth open and nobody can tell!

Calgary was a totally different situation. Masks, hand gel stations. I had to go through a check point where my temperature was taken,then I was wheeled to an area where I used a tablet to enter all my information I.e. address, who I live with, do I live in city, town. Will someone provide me with necessities as in food and meds while under quarantine. Did I understand that I had to quarantine for 14 days and that i could not leave my property line..or have anybody on my land.

Since arriving home I have received a call from the federal government and the provincial government and several Robo calls making sure I am in self quarantine. My son has been abiding this also.

I hope this answers your question Daniel.

On a side note. I have been avidly following U.S.
politics and found it interesting to talk to so many Trump supporters.

I know that our village needs tourists and the tourists need our village. For the love of our people please self isolate and wear your masks once you arrive in our piece of paradise. It is called respect, tip well, get house keepers whether you need them or not, buy locally.

Have someone get you your necessities, food, booze, gas before you arrive then hunker down.

Stay safe and see you when I see you.

Heidi

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Posted by Daniel H on September 25, 2020, 1:20 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Thanks for the indepth reply.

So you got calls checking if you were self isolating but no call
or email saying you were exposed to covid on the flight. If you
had not gone to the website on your own you would nave never known.

Not sure how much it matters since you were in quarantine anyway,
but it s still useful information. Its very easy to notify you since
it is just a piece of code, a set of instructions (algorithm) telling the
computer to transfer existing information from a data base to you.
They know the seats that were exposed to COVID, they also know you were
in seat 19, put those together and send the info. Easy peasy.

Sharing information is my interest and it appears they (the gov)
have missed an easy opportunity to communicate (they get the blue
ribbon on overall performance).

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Posted by Heidi on September 25, 2020, 4:18 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Lol..sorry about in depth answer. Retired immigration officer.

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Comparing experiences

Posted by Daniel H on September 25, 2020, 4:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

In depth is good, the more personal experiences that are shared
the more reliable information there is for people to use as a data
base from which they make decisions.

Compare your experience to ElkeG"s friend who flew Manzanillo to Mexico
City to Vancouver, very different experience than yours.

https://members5.boardhost.com/lamanzanilla/msg/1599786565.html

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Posted by Alex Kim Robbins on September 25, 2020, 4:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

Daniel, if you manage to find the US equivalent of what Canada has can you please post to the board. I’d love to have that info on hand. Thanks!

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US equivalent of what Canada has

Posted by Daniel H on September 25, 2020, 5:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Just putting it out here..."

From the limited searches I have done it doesn't exist.
For example

"The CDC told CNN that it knows of 1,600 flights in the first eight
months of the year where a person who may have had the virus was present.
Up to 10,900 people may have been within the six-foot transmission
range of that person during these flights, CDC identified and
notified relevant health departments about these 10,900 on-board
close contacts,"

I have no idea what the health departments did with that information,
I imagine it varies department to department.

CDC flags 1600 flights where person on board may have had COVID-19

There are Tracking Apps that you can use but my knowledge and
my curosity are very limited on that topic.

NCDHHS says COVID-19 exposure app surpasses 50,000 downloads in first day

One of the searches

I have found no US airline doing tracking / reporting like Canada.

IMO most of what is being done is security theater to make people
feel safer about being in a tube with 100 other non tested people
where you can't social distance, breathing the same air for a
couple of hours. Anyone who looks at that situation and
does not say WTF! is deep into conformation bias along with the
people who are running those airlines. Again IMO

Edit: Knowing how many flight attendants and pilots have the antibodies or
have been taken off the job for testing positive may be a significant piece
of information (if you could get the real data)

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