What parking?
Posted by Red on December 27, 2018, 3:11 pm
Sheeeshhh . . think there's enough buses in town? I think it was June who claimed to have counted 45 just on this north end of town earlier today. Pino claims to have broached the idea to the Delgado of bus parking being restricted to the old quarry site on this same north end. I think that would be a great improvement over the 15 buses parked along Concha Molida this afternoon. Over on Perula also; Lazaro Cardenas as usual is packed and poor folks down on Roxanna can't even see across the road. OK, my rant is over . . Rojo | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by David Dagoli on December 27, 2018, 4:46 pm, in reply to "What parking?"
We just drove into town at 4 pm, and we’re marvelling at the large number of busses parked every which way. We recently saw an article about Guanajuato City in which the mayor said there were just too many cheap bus tours going there- some 200 in a day. They want to do something about it, as the tours add little to nothing to their local economy - in fact they put a strain on the town services. | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by David Dagoli on December 27, 2018, 4:50 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"-----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Debbie Wulze on December 27, 2018, 5:29 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
When the buses come into town they could be assessed a parking fee, perhaps 500 per bus, then they should be given a map of where they can park legally. . The funds could be used to keep the quarry or another area assigned for a multi bus lot in good condition for them to use also it could be used to clean up after they leave. Lets see I saw at least 30 buses here today and that would be 15,000 pesos just for today. Think of it Easter and summer holidays and more. They could even place portapotties,as well. KEEP LA MANZANILLA CLEAN AND SMELLING FRESH. | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Daniel H on December 27, 2018, 6:05 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?" Edited by board administrator December 27, 2018, 6:10 pm
Let's see, guessing each bus equals 10 cars x 45 = 450 cars....hmmm Less beaches for people to use due to privatization of beaches. I wonder how many days each person needs to work to be able to afford taking the bus to the beach for the day? Figure 4 hours each way, call it 9 hours of prep and travel for 7 hours on the beach, now make them walk further and pay more? Its amazing the way they work it all out, viva Mexico, love it! | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Robert on December 27, 2018, 6:58 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
What is your point, Daniel. That disrespect for the locals is good?
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Posted by Daniel H on December 27, 2018, 7:01 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"-----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Jean on December 27, 2018, 7:23 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
I agree with Daniel, good point. I don't understand the remark made by Robert. Disrespect the locals?
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Posted by Beccistarr on December 27, 2018, 8:30 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
For Pete’s sake. You live in a tourist town and most of you are gringos which makes you guests in a foreign country. These are Mexican families coming to the beach for a vacation They have been coming here for a long long time...way before any of us came here. Deal with it. | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Evelyn on December 27, 2018, 9:27 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
I cringe everytime I feel the need to post on the board. So often what you say is misunderstood. But here I go anyway. I have to agree with Beccistarr, we are visitors to this country and this is the way they live. Bit by bit things are changing, Mexico is a developing nation afterall. Too often I see us foreigners trying to change the way of life here to suit us. Could things be done better? Of course they can, but that’s our way of thinking and who exactly are we to tell the Mexicans how to live? Much of what has changed here has been a bitter pill to swallow for me over the last 35 years, but then I too have helped create these changes. Don’t we all come here because it’s such a different lifestyle, so charming, sunny and hot in the winter yada yada yada. And here we go trying to make it just like back home, what we all want to get away from. So, I say suck it up and let the Mexicans enjoy their traditions , and have their fun. Stay at your casa if it’s too much for you at National holidays, or, don’t come to this country if you just can’t deal with it. Or wait another 10 or 20 years when we will have inflitrated this country to such a degree that we won’t know the difference between here and back home. There will be no point coming here at all then. Not trying to cause ‘trouble’, just tired of all the do gooders. Imperfect Mexico, gotta love it! | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Lyn on December 27, 2018, 9:58 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
Totally agree with Becci and Carol. Leave it alone, it's their country. lyn | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Beccistarr on December 27, 2018, 10:42 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
I’ve been in Mexico since 1980 and every one in a while I find folks who I absolutely adore and so want to meet if only to have a big hug. Thank you Evelyn and Lyn for being two such human beings. My heart sings | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Larry on December 28, 2018, 8:37 am, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
I find it baffling that one person's complaint about buses parking next to his house, then running their engines while parked while the exhaust fumes drift through their house, can lead to blowback from people accusing him of disrespecting his "host country". Nobody on this thread has suggested that Mexicans should not come here and enjoy the beach. Why is it that freedom of speech does not extend to all people here and allow them to make reasonable and respectful comments about things that affect them? | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Daniel H on December 28, 2018, 8:44 am, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
Ahhh, "running their engines while parked while the exhaust fumes drift through their house" that is something I didn't know about. Sounds like a drag. "Why is it that freedom of speech does not extend to all people here ...." I think it does as long as the person is from La Manzanilla and lets people know who they are. Can you give examples of when it hasn't?
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Posted by Larry on December 28, 2018, 9:03 am, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
Give an example? I think I just did. A resident here suggests, respectfully, that there could be an alternative way of dealing with the parking of buses is told to: "deal with it" ..... "stay at home" ...."don't come to this country" .... "suck it up". Does this really encourage freedom of expression? | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Daniel H on December 28, 2018, 9:24 am, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
Freedom of expression goes both ways. I think there are many people who don't express their opinion because they are afraid of someone criticizing that opinion. Conversation is an art and a deep topic which is of interest to me (even though I am not good at it). Basically it comes down to not being afraid of being wrong or being socially excluded and that there is a chance of each side learning and possibly altering their opinion. Also to keep in mind this too shall pass. | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Daniel H on December 28, 2018, 8:38 am, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
400 buses, 20,000 people! I wonder what the local restaurants, stores and the Lagoon tour have to say about the bus people, are they eating at the restaurants, renting the tables and umbrellas, are they taking the Lagoon tour? Does the Delegado charge the buses anything? Also curious to know how much it cost per person for someone to come here from say Guadalajara? Is that where most of the buses are coming from? | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Beccistarr on December 28, 2018, 9:12 am, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
Has anyone asked the bus driver to turn off the engine or if they insist on continuing to run the engine, asked them to move away from the houses. We’ve had that problem in Boca and you’d be surprised how accommodating they can be if they understand there’s a problem with the exhaust. I guess it’s much easier to b###h on the message board. Or perhaps you don’t speak Spanish. I’m sure you can find someone who does. FYI I own my house in Boca and have been here for ten years. Come on up and count our buses or for that matter the cars parked on the beach and the Ramadas with hoards of people eating and drinking at them. It obscures my view of the ocean but I learned a long time ago to appreciate it from the stand point of Mexican families having a blast and seasonal permitted restaurants having money making commerce. For those of you who rent perhaps la manzanilla is not right for you during the Christmas/new year or any other big national holidays. I’m sure that are many beach towns that don’t allow buses to park on their streets or cars to park on the sand perhaps next year you can find a more suitable vacation spot. As for the residents I’m sure most of us are accustomed to this happening. I moved up here from Club Santiago where there are no vehicles allowed on the beach and since it’s a gated community the buses are limited to dropping off, parking elsewhere and picking up at the end of the day. It’s a lot more expensive to rent a house or room and the area is filled with gringos but after all you get what you pay for... | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Jeanne on December 28, 2018, 10:03 am, in reply to "What parking?"
I seem to remember that many of the buses used to park at the quarry. There was no restriction or directive, they just parked there. The quarry is really no further away than some of the other places the buses are parking now, and it looks like a safer place to load and unload. Maybe the bus drivers need to know that the quarry is available. I feel for them, trying to maneuver on the tiniest of streets! So no restrictions, just options. | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Daniel H on December 28, 2018, 10:37 am, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
Very nicely put Jeanne. Foreigners are guest and hopefully they remember things are different here, but that doesn't mean we can't all collaborate on solutions to some of the situations. Cars are also becoming an issue, perhaps a place outside of town for cars and buses to park with a transportation system for moving the people? One way streets? Another entry point from the highway to the South part of La Manzanilla?
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Posted by Brad on December 28, 2018, 12:32 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
Really some parallels to what we deal with living in Tofino which over the years has developed into an international tourist destination. Big strain on our water and sewer system ( we now are having to build a new secondary treatment plant ) ,many huge semi trucks and trailers arrive daily into the village core to service the needs of our restaurants, parking is a disaster and many wonder about what benefits are realized from the many motor homes that arrive every holiday break.---- Seems to me to be really about developing respectful relationships and honouring each other needs in some way. --could we have smaller vehicles or shuttles service the areas where everyone wants to be and establish parking areas a bit further out? -- could businesses and local governments ensure that extra garbage and recycling cans are out and about and that water stations and temporary washroom facilities are established for the special times when we all know there will be many guests and visitors ? Always interesting, and fodder for lively discussion, to figure out who is "local" , who is a visitor or tourist, who benefits from the tourism industry and who sees it as a pain. | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Red on December 28, 2018, 1:43 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
Good points by all 3 of you. Nice that a discussion finally broke out. No need for an either or type of talk, more along the lines of who has the best ideas that can help lamanz be more liveable. The Casino, with some land reuse on Roxanna, and minor remodeling, could be a great visitor center slash bus drop off point. With parking further out, like the quarry. And speaking of the quarry, since all the Patricia debris was dumped there and partially dealt with, the area is not usable for larger vehicles with piles of materials scattered about. Clean it up and see if the buses will co-operate. Rojo | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Beccistarr on December 28, 2018, 2:07 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
This is really a healthy dialogue and with great ideas for solutions that wouldn’t put a further strain on the many Mexican families who must save for 6 months to come here for 7 hours. Bravo people of LaManz that’s the spirit | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Jane G on December 28, 2018, 2:47 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
Lotsa buses in the quarry right now, and I saw pay-for parking in the Casino. | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by david c on December 28, 2018, 3:02 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
Also, maybe the rodeo area could be used for parking! | -----------------Re: What parking?
Posted by Daniel H on December 28, 2018, 3:05 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
Thanks J. Feel like being Lois Lane for a bit and talking to a few bus drivers and asking where they are from? Also were they full when they left or did they pick up people on the way? | -----------------Re: What pareking?
Posted by Jane G on December 28, 2018, 3:31 pm, in reply to "Re: What parking?"
I haven't seen anybody leave yet, but the buses arrived full and the passengers walked from the quarry. I happened to be outside at the time, and everyone was cheerful and excited to be here. I was even pleasant: "Bienvenido a La Manzanilla. Disfrutalo tu tiempo aqui." That would be a NO on the Lois Lane part, D Darlin'.
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Posted by André on December 28, 2018, 4:58 pm, in reply to "Re: What pareking?"
about a mexican résident opinion on the subjetc? | -----------------Residente Permanente Response
Posted by Mark S. on December 29, 2018, 7:00 am, in reply to "Re: What pareking?"
As a year round resident living on Calle Playa de Roxana, home to many idling, parked buses at different times of the year, this is my take: The personal inconvenience of living with the buses is greatly overcome by seeing the happy families disembark with their floaties, coolers, towels and smiles. I know the local businesses are grateful for the business these folks bring to our pueblo. It can get a little sparse for them in early and late summer. As Daniel H. wisely suggested, knowing that "this too will pass" reminds me to chill and accept life as it is. Todo está bien. | -----------------Re: Residente Permanente Response
Posted by Vicki (La Manzanilla Hermosa) on December 31, 2018, 12:14 am, in reply to "Residente Permanente Response"
Esta es una gran idea. Esto también pasará. | -----------------Re: Residente Permanente Response
Posted by M Morgam on January 3, 2019, 8:50 am, in reply to "Residente Permanente Response"
With the increasing tourism and development the results to the infrastructure is showing limits i.e. parking, traffic congestion, diminishing water tables, and an overloaded sewage treatment system. Current systems sizing was sufficient at one time. I dunno, buses hold what 40, 50 passengers? Multiply that by agsin I dunno, what? maybe 50 busses? That is a lot of extra; parking, traffic congestion,water consumption, garbage, and sewage overload. Perhaps in addition to some of the thoughtful ideas submitted like designated bus parking and remote parking transit service another option can also be economic. The bus tour companies are obviously making dinero driving folks from Leon and Guad. maybe it is time for the bus companies to step up to the plate and start paying an entrance fee to enter the village. In this could be enfolded a designated parking plan and other options that others will envision. Money. Money can be banked towards addressing these infrastructure issues. Vacation is a luxury item. | -----------------
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